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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 4:48 pm

Also fix the Download speed connected to 5ghz wifi it downloads not even a 1Mbps
On raspbian 32bit it is at least 1mbps

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 5:23 pm

Aliensnipemaster wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:53 pm
Can't find a forum on armhf on arm64 with multi arch
There is only a way to run arm64 apps on armhf this is not what I want to do
multiarch is already enabled on the image you can run apt install package, and if there's no arm64 version, it will pull in the armhf version. You can specify you want the arm hv version by using apt install package:armhf. Check the output from apt very carefully before accepting anything. This is a very easy way to mess up your system if you're not careful.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 5:24 pm

MaccyC wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 4:22 pm
Is the pi-gen config available for customization?
Not yet, but I will push an arm64 branch when I get the chance.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 5:31 pm

pleasantone wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 4:29 pm
@gsh - I'd really like to encourage you to fold all changes back into Debian unstable directly so that this time you're not stuck duplicating the work of the Debian team, especially around security updates.

Just to be clear, what I'm suggesting is that the average user gets an apt sources.list that looks something like:

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# just the files that you need to add or change, not a full distribution
deb http://newos.raspberrypi.org/newos stable rip
deb http://newos.raspberrypi.org/newos-security stable rpi
deb http://newos.rapsberrypi.org/newos stable/updates rpi

# the standard Debian files
deb http://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian stable main
deb http://cdn-aws.deb.debian.org/debian stable-updates main
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main
Please please please, don't do "another raspbian" because it screws us on security updates et al to have you as a gatekeeper.
We already do that. We just add a repo on top of the debian repo, not fork debian entirely.

We don't have the resources to dedicate to upstreaming everything ourselves, but we do so when it makes sense. Quite often when Debian do a new release we find that somebody has already sent our patches upstream and we can drop ours.

In cases where we patch an existing package, when Debian updates it, it will usually have a higher priority than our patched version. This ensures security fixes make their way to the system even if I can't merge it into our package on the same day.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 5:37 pm

Would I be able to Install and run Dolphin Emulator with this new 64-bit image?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 5:54 pm

WanderMan wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 5:37 pm
Would I be able to Install and run Dolphin Emulator with this new 64-bit image?
Install? Probably if you compile it from source

Run? Maybe Animal Crossing on the GC.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Fri May 29, 2020 6:39 pm

You can't run dolphin unless you want to use software renderer
GL 3.0 on't work on raspbian 64bit
Tested raspberry pi 4 4GB

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sat May 30, 2020 10:01 am

Is there by any chance a way to get the kernel source/headers for this version? Need to compile kernel modules for WireGuard and a piece of hardware I have that isn't included in any packages.

I tried the raspberrypi-kernel-headers package but it doesn't seem to exist for arm64, only armhf.
Also tried 'apt-get source' for the kernels package but it just pulled the firmware files instead.
I see https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux but not sure which commit would match the kernel that comes with RPiOS 64bit, since it doesn't appear to be tagged or anything.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sat May 30, 2020 12:12 pm

Aliensnipemaster wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 6:39 pm
You can't run dolphin unless you want to use software renderer
GL 3.0 on't work on raspbian 64bit
Tested raspberry pi 4 4GB
You'll need to set OpenGLES to true you can see discussion on it here https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-d ... #pid498236

Also don't use the version in the repo it's 3 years old.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sat May 30, 2020 9:23 pm

Erisa wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 10:01 am
I see https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux but not sure which commit would match the kernel that comes with RPiOS 64bit, since it doesn't appear to be tagged or anything.
Try rpi-source https://github.com/notro/rpi-source/wiki

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 7:32 am

DirkS wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 9:23 pm
Erisa wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 10:01 am
I see https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux but not sure which commit would match the kernel that comes with RPiOS 64bit, since it doesn't appear to be tagged or anything.
Try rpi-source https://github.com/notro/rpi-source/wiki
Hi, thanks for the help!!
rpi-source didn't seem to be working, it pulled the wrong kernel source commit and a config mismatch was causing modules to not compile.
After some more digging i found this issue: https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... t/issues/4
And used this script from it: https://gist.github.com/satmandu/a507c5 ... 3395819d51
Which worked a treat!

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 9:34 pm

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:50 pm
In general, yes. In the specific case of VNC Server, not yet.

libraspberrypi0 was never set up to support multiarch and getting it working would require breaking things, which I'd like to avoid.

My current plan is to leave the armhf version of libraspberrypi0 as is and treat it as a legacy support package. Then I'll add a new one that supports multiarch to allow things like realvnc vnc server to work.
I know the usual answer to "when will .... be available", but I would really like to test-drive the 64 bit OS, and I am much more productive using VNC than PuTTY to talk to a headless Pi (which all my Pis are). Do you have any idea when VNC server might be working on the 64 bit OS. I can confirm that it isn't now! :)

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 9:55 pm

Does usb boot work with this version on the pi 4?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 10:01 pm

person1729 wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 9:55 pm
Does usb boot work with this version on the pi 4?
Yes, if you have updated your bootloader (rpi-eeprom) to the latest beta. This 64bit build has the new start4.elf that will work with the beta bootloader for usb boot.
If you haven't updated to the beta bootloader you'll have to do that before attempting to usb boot this image, or any other.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 10:58 pm

Aliensnipemaster wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 4:32 pm
To install VNC SErver go to this forum
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/ ... untu-18-04
I know it says Ubuntu but it worked in raspbian
It will make raspbian look like xfce4
It's still raspbian just with different desktop environment
These instructions would (if they worked!) install the TightVNC server, not the RealVNC server, which Rasbian 32 installs by default, and which I use for all my other Pis. I used TightVNC for a short time when the RealVNC viewer had some issues on my Win 10 syystem, but I was not impressed.

I say "if they worked", because apt was not able to locate the xcfe4-goodies package (second step) when I tried them.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 11:15 pm

I found the solution to be to use x11vnc instead, as tightvnc starts a new desktop. This guide worked for me: https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... -636544190
Run

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sudo raspi-config
and set a resolution.
Install x11vnc:

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sudo apt-get install x11vnc
sudo x11vnc -storepasswd yourVNCpasswordHERE /etc/x11vnc.pass
sudo nano /etc/systemd/system/x11vnc.service
Add the following

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[Unit]
Description="x11vnc"
Requires=display-manager.service
After=display-manager.service

[Service]
ExecStart=/usr/bin/x11vnc -xkb -noxrecord -noxfixes -noxdamage -display :0 -auth guess -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass
ExecStop=/usr/bin/killall x11vnc
Restart=on-failure
Restart-sec=2

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
Start it with

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sudo systemctl daemon-reload
sudo systemctl start x11vnc
and make it start on boot with

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sudo systemctl enable x11vnc

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Sun May 31, 2020 11:37 pm

person1729 wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 11:15 pm
I found the solution to be to use x11vnc instead, as tightvnc starts a new desktop. This guide worked for me: https://github.com/raspberrypi/Raspberr ... -636544190
Does this also require that you use a different (from RealVNC) viewer on the PC end?

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:13 am

No, though it does show an unencrypted connection warning, which shouldn't be significant as long as you don't port forward your vnc

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:37 am

I2C, SPI, gpio all appear to be working fine. I was able to GVFS mount a smb drive and play mp3s using audacious with a bluetooth headset.
It looks very promising, and I can't wait for this to leave beta.
Running the a72 cores with a 32bit OS has been a necessary evil, but soon that will be behind us.
Praise to the foundation!

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:39 pm

An oddity, rather than a serious bug:
I now have the 64 bit OS running headless on a Pi 4, using the x11vnc server and the RealVNC client on my W10 machine to control it. No non-system software is currently installed or active. If I give the 'sudo shutdown now' command from the CLI, the Pi shuts down quite quickly, albeit perhaps somewhat more slowly than my other Pis do under 32 bit Raspbian. In any event, the activity light flashes that signal the completion of shutdown occur within 10-12 seconds of giving the command. If, OTOH, I use the GUI menu Shutdown command, what should (presumably) be the same process takes about 25 seconds. There is a comparable time difference between a reboot triggered from the CLI and a reboot triggered from the GUI menu. In both cases, the SD activity light stays on for most of the 'excess' time before shutdown/reboot. I almost always shut down from the CLI and, in any event, watch for the flashes that signal completion of shutdown before powering down, but someone who isn't as paranoid as I am and is used to the regular shutdown timing might pull power before the extended GUI-triggered shutdown process has completed.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:53 pm

I think it may not be unloading services and halting them, try

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sudo shutdown -h now

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:12 am

person1729 wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:53 pm
I think it may not be unloading services and halting them, try

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sudo shutdown -h now
It is the command line version that is taking the normal time, I don't believe that the GUI version is taking longer because it is 'doing things properly'.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:39 pm

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:47 pm
ag123 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 3:06 pm
hi , i'm downloading it, but perhaps make a torrent out of it? at 1GB it may get popular fast hence bittorrent may help there.
https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspi ... ip.torrent
Is there a lite version of Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit that's available? I mostly run my Pis headless.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 pm

Dygear wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:39 pm
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 4:47 pm
ag123 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 3:06 pm
hi , i'm downloading it, but perhaps make a torrent out of it? at 1GB it may get popular fast hence bittorrent may help there.
https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspi ... ip.torrent
Is there a lite version of Raspberry Pi OS 64-bit that's available? I mostly run my Pis headless.
I won't expect there to be a lite version before the normal version comes out of beta, otherwise they would be just wasting work.

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Re: Raspberry Pi OS (64 bit) beta test version

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:54 pm

They're not just the same thing with a smaller set of packages?

I mean, beta; if a build accidentally pulls in everything that makes it as big as the standard then nobody should care, but really?

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