I don't get how people come from "a 64 bit raspian" would be nice to it must be possible to upgrade from your current 32 bit system. Obviously this ain't and IMO shouldn't gonna happen...Heater wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:45 pmjamesh is right there.
In the software world if you change one little, teeny, weeny thing, all kind of stuff that depends on that breaks.
That cascades into endless questions here and elsewhere as to why X or Y or Z no longer works. See Stackoverlow or any support forum anywhere to see that in action every day.
Only yesterday I experienced this in following the getting started pages of Nvidia's Jetson Nano board.
Well, that is OK for me, I can raise an issue on github, discuss the issue with the developers and the problem is fixed soon enough.
Now scale that up to 30 million users upgrading to some 64 bit Raspbian. For sure there will be an avalanche of chaos and confusion.
This mammoth change is not to be undertaken lightly.
I don't only argue against you here.. fyi it came from this one:
that argument would be a way better if you don't bring then a hardware example.. and for the sake of this thread I don't discuss the USB-C thing again..jamesh wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:56 pmWorth considering that if we release a Raspbian that is actually not as good as a previous version (ie with loads of stuff missing), we get a HUGE amount of negative press - it really doesn't matter how many times you say its a BETA or is missing stuff we are still working on, we have enough detractors that they would have a field day. Look at the nonsense over the USB-C power, affected very few people yet we STILL have people coming along saying they haven't bought yet, even though it would never have affected them.
hmm a really cynical point of view.. Obviously you doing mistakes gets more attention than *random small SBC maker does wrong*... That's the price of being the biggest player on the SBC market.. On the other side you annotating a new product also gets more media coverage than *random small SBC maker* annotates a new product.
And that works for those being familiar with tweaking userlands or are enough pain resistant to learn it.. Obviously as someone who spends quite some time in getting a debian/ubuntu derivative working on arm boards, none of my arm boards run with the vendor provided stock OS, I can also quick and dirty glue something together to get what I want (e.g. 64 bit Debian with the Raspian kernel or recompile my own kernel etc.dickon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:46 pmAnd it's worth pointing out that if you don't need any of the Pi- or Raspbian-specific bits -- camera, video codec blocks etc. -- then plain Debian is more or less the same thing, and a bit quicker on 32b due to the later ARM revision it targets. I generally use the Raspbian kernel with a Debian userland on most of my Pis.
it works for me.. but it's obviously not a solution for everyone).
likely for 99% of all debian packaged it doesn't matter if you get them from the Raspian repo or the debian repo in terms of which version you get. Being community driven and trying to be as stable as possible comes with the drawback that you're not fast. If you're more on the bleeding edge side of life, raspian nor debian stable is the way to go.. your best friends are more likely distros like arch, fedora or debian sid and the make command..