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Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:08 pm

I find the Raspberry Pi 3b+ still a good choice: it has enough power for many applications and works without silly connection adapters.

My problem is that Pimoroni, my regular supplier, immediately stopped selling the good old Raspberry Pi 3b+ as soon as the Raspberry Pi 4b came out.

I am not happy to must redesign my devices to cope with different connectors.

Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:11 pm

Nope, the 3b+ hits the sweet spot for many of my use cases, with simple USB boot and no HDMI adapter jungle.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:16 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:08 pm
I find the Raspberry Pi 3b+ still a good choice: it has enough power for many applications and works without silly connection adapters.

My problem is that Pimoroni, my regular supplier, immediately stopped selling the good old Raspberry Pi 3b+ as soon as the Raspberry Pi 4b came out.

I am not happy to must redesign my devices to cope with different connectors.

Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?
I do not understand why they did that either but the 3B and 3B+ fit my needs (and stock of cases) fine. As I'm cheap (i.e. skint) I order from elsewhere when needed now and get the HATs etc from the same supplier to cut out extra postage costs.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:18 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:08 pm
I find the Raspberry Pi 3b+ still a good choice: it has enough power for many applications and works without silly connection adapters.

My problem is that Pimoroni, my regular supplier, immediately stopped selling the good old Raspberry Pi 3b+ as soon as the Raspberry Pi 4b came out.

I am not happy to must redesign my devices to cope with different connectors.

Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

No.

And I have bought more since the announcement of the RPi4.
Obsolescence Statement
Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ will remain in production until at least January 2026
Surely just production line bottlenecks leading to lack of stock with the 'usual suspects' in the UK?

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Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:27 pm

Just got another pi3B+ to upgrade one of my projects , only needed the faster wired networking , pi4B might have suffered overhearing in the existing case.

Was lucky picked up a new old stock cased pi from a seller on eBay selling stock from a failed business project saved £10 on new price of a pi only.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:43 pm

the 3b+ is still a fine computer!

this 4b i am on though is running at 2175mhz now, and 750mhz gpu

i have an official screen the 3B+ works good in it.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:44 pm

B.Goode wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:18 pm
...
Surely just production line bottlenecks leading to lack of stock with the 'usual suspects' in the UK?
Do not think so in the case of Pimoroni (MY WORDS) - they had a clearance sale and searching B+ on the site returns the starter kit (OOS today) only. The 3A+ is still available but most products now have the generic 'It'll work with any 40-pin version of the Pi, including Pi Zero and Pi Zero W.' statement (though that may be due to the length now needed).

The Pi Hut still list the 3B and 3B+ (with the 3B+ OOS today) but SB Components are in stock at £35 and dear (in the cost sense) old Amazon have a few with Prime delivery.

Other 'electronics' sites have them but top whack price (£44+) if you are desperate.

No idea of the Pi Shop stock - shame they have no postal order capability let alone on-line HINT :D

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:52 pm

Pimoroni limit themselves to the top model of each model type A B etc. Zero, Zero W, 3A+, 4B. They have always done it that way. I buy a lot of stuff from them. The only time they have more than the one is when clearing old stock out. 3B+ right after the 4B was released etc. I'm not sure why they do it, other than reducing inventory etc? The other retailer I use a lot Adafruit still sells the older models. I'm in Canada eh. :D
I've been buying a lot of the 3A+'s, mostly headless setups where I don't need all the ports on a 3B+. I can see where having to buy new cables, power supplies etc could be a PITA.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:17 pm

pi-tastic wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:43 pm
This 4b I am on though is running at 2175mhz now, and 750mhz gpu
You've even posted in the thread related to overclocking, what you claim is not possible:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... 8#p1537220


The Pi3b+ is still useful, there's no reason the Pi4b must be used, for various reasons, a Pi3b+ or even earlier Pi, might be preferable.
People still favor the Pi2b for its lack of wireless technology.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:04 pm

I have two of the old A+'s running here with sense hats attached. Both have RTC's attached and don't need wifi etc. They are setup as weather clocks displaying local real time conditions. One runs on battery at times so the A+ is great for that. The Zero was not around when I built them.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:45 am

B.Goode wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:18 pm
Obsolescence Statement
Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ will remain in production until at least January 2026
alphanumeric wrote:
Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:52 pm
Pimoroni limit themselves to the top model of each model type A B etc. Zero, Zero W, 3A+, 4B. They have always done it that way...
Ah OK, That's a deliberate politic of Pimoroni only. It sets my mind at ease.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:07 am

rin67630 wrote: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?
Nope, you're not alone....
might upgrade my old projects (based on RPi1B+, and RPi2Bv1.2) to the RPi3B+ as well...
but my RPi3B desktop will remain the same (just upgrade to Buster) :D
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 am

Aren't they the same price as the Pi4B1? If so I'd never get the weaker one barring some business reason of some incompatible attachment or program.

Así use Pi personally I'd never order an older one. I have Pi 1-3Bs btw and plan on ordering a 4B4

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:23 am

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 am
Aren't they the same price as the Pi4B1?
A Raspberry Pi running 24/24 costs* in a year more electricity than its hardware value.
So if your Mum does not pay your electricity bill for you, the current consumption matters: the Pi4 just needs to much power for simpler tasks.
Additionally i have many Pis around and I am not happy to needing an additional HDMI plug adapter, that is always lost elsewhere when I need it...

*here in DE where electricity is relatively expensive and will soon be a scarce resource.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:50 am

tului wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 am
Aren't they the same price as the Pi4B1? If so I'd never get the weaker one barring some business reason of some incompatible attachment or program.

Así use Pi personally I'd never order an older one. I have Pi 1-3Bs btw and plan on ordering a 4B4
Yes the 1 gig 4B is still 35 dollars. As mentioned though, your Pi 3 power supply won't work with it without an adapter. And your current 3B HDMI cable won't plug in either, neither will the Pi Zero official HDMI cable. So you either need another cable or an adapter. Niggles but it adds up to extra cost for some. I can get those things pretty easily at a good price. Not everybody can though.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:51 pm

In some application thermal issues are important. The 4b generates a lot more heat than the 3b+.
It's um...uh...well it's kinda like...and it's got a bit of...

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:43 pm

What's a Pi 4? 20 watts maximum? That's $50-$100 a year in electricity. Peanuts for 24/7 usage of a device

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:50 pm

Silly connection adapters? I use a micro-HDMI to HDMI and a USB-C power supply, no adapters were needed.
If RPI 4B and 3B+ are both available at the same price point, it would be foolish to get the 3B+ since the 4B is much better value. If it is not available, I'd probably wait until I can get my hands on one. Having been used to the snappiness of the 4B, I don't think I'll take to using the 3B+ again very well.

I have the 3B+ running a Pihole on it and has been doing an excellent job at it!

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:56 pm

tului wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:43 pm
What's a Pi 4? 20 watts maximum? That's $50-$100 a year in electricity. Peanuts for 24/7 usage of a device
So you do fully confirm my statement "A Raspberry Pi running 24/24 costs in a year more electricity than its hardware value."
And a Pi 3B+ costs definitively less than a 4B. Every year.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:09 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:56 pm
tului wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:43 pm
What's a Pi 4? 20 watts maximum? That's $50-$100 a year in electricity. Peanuts for 24/7 usage of a device
So you do fully confirm my statement "A Raspberry Pi running 24/24 costs in a year more electricity than its hardware value."
And a Pi 3B+ costs definitively less than a 4B. Every year.
That's expensive electricity. On my tariff my Pi 4/4GB using 20W would cost me about about half the list price in electricity a year. Roughly £23 or a little under $28US

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:20 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:23 am
*here in DE
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:50 pm

the pi4b is exciting to me, its now to the point where it can seriously replace most core2 desktops.
and do it driving 4K @ 60hz! This excitement reminds me of the days when the Prescott Pentium 4 was released and GPU's were just starting to get good with the Geforce3! OverClocking was a thing... it was interesting crazy times!

The 3B reminds me of the Pentium3 of the same time it still does everything, reliable its just slower.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:11 pm

rpdom wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:09 pm
That's expensive electricity.
Full ack! 0,28 ct each KWh.
The price is the cheapest ecological electricity tariff available in Germany.
I expect it to grow significantly in the next years, with the abandon of coal and nuclear generation.
One often forgets that an insignificant ADSL router runnning 24/24 can cost more electricity than a fridge, which was in the 90es the biggest electricity consumer of a household.

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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:45 pm

So if your Mum does not pay your electricity bill for you
wow kind of mean.

Yeah this summer 3000 sq.ft was a little pricey to keep cool.
With 6 kids running around, at the peak month was $460.00

i think the xbox and A/C is what consumed most of that .....

I need to get ready for the winter, i was looking at 13HP gas generators,
I figure 13 hp should be enough to keep the whole house going with out a hitch in the event of a terrible winter storm.
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Re: Am I the only one that still would buy a Raspberry Pi 3b+?

Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:02 pm

pi-tastic wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:45 pm
...Yeah this summer 3000 sq.ft was a little pricey to keep cool.
... i was looking at 13HP gas generators,
I figure 13 hp should be enough to keep the whole house going with out a hitch in the event of a terrible winter storm.
...
Your CO2 footprint seems really out of control, and you look to be proud of it...

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