fozzy bear wrote:Now this is interesting as I have been observing this kind of activity over at ebay ( USA and Australia ) for a while [ it must be happening globally though]. This begs the question that if the gouging and scalping keeps going on ( and the foundation has no real control over this ) then the markets are going to start thinking, hey we don't have to abide by the foundations' artificial price point for the Pi ( yes it is already happening ).
What stops the primary distributors from raising prices is the contract they signed with the Foundation. They violate the contract, they lose the right to manufacture and distribute. Resellers..nothing to be done there, but it is always possible to let people know that, if you go to the official distributors, the price is $35 for a Model B.
Since when has competition ( a dynamic principle of global and free markets )
been a bad thing ? I see it as a healthy thing.
Why ? Because even though some Pi units will be sold at higher prices
this will get the product out there so more people will see Pis
and more people will buy more Pis etc..
I agree that--in general competition is good. That's why there is no real complaint with the various "Pi-like" devices out there, whether a mere proposal or actual hardware you can buy.
What is so wrong with people making some money with the Pi ?
Nothing whatsoever. Indeed, the Foundation is making a little bit off the Pi, as are the contracted distributors. The distributors would probably like to make more, but they are making a profit. The Foundation is a charity, but the distributors are not. (I actually think the Foundation should probably be making more off the Pi than they are...the people running to Foundation took a sizable personal risk and I think they should get some compensation for that.)
It is only going to stimulate more interest in the product.
I think this will actually drive the future of the development of the Pi
( if that's what the foundation and Pi users want to see ).
If people keep the price say under around $ 70.00
then you are still getting a small, powerfull and cheap
system ( compared to traditional systems ).
In fact if the inital price point was $70.00 I would
still buy one for the same reasons.
$70 is okay...it you only need one or two for projects. I have a current use for about 12...and at $70 each, that would be a problem. When you get to the proposal to fill a classroom with the...say 20 to 30 Pis times however many concurrent classes a given school will have running times the number of schools in a district... Well, you get the idea. As Sen. Dirksen once said, "a billion here, a billion there...pretty soon you're talking real money."
I think the reality is that the foundation at some point in the future will need to reconsider it's position on the price point if it wants the Pi phenomenon to grow even further. I know many will disagree and will say this approach
violates the spirit of the original purpose of the Pi and it's price point policy.
I disagree. I think in the final analysis this change can only be good for
I disagree. As time goes on it should be easier to maintain the price point. The prices of the chips may go down, particularly as volume ramps up and time passes. For the actual intended purposes, the Pi is "powerful enough". There are a lot of people posting on these forums that learned to program on far less capable hardware (I learned my first programming languages before microcomputers even existed on a machine with roughly the equivalent of 40KB of memory and disk drive that held no more than 4MB).
If there is a market for a more expensive, more capable machine (and such a market almost certainly exists), then someone can fill that market, but it doesn't mean the Foundation needs to. The mere existence of the Pi appears to have created a newly defined computer market: the under $50 computer.
People are already making money off the Pi
and we CAN'T stop this ( it is not illegal to onsell this way as
jamesh I think pointed out ) so why not take advantage of the situation ?
People *are* making money off the Pi. Both directly as aftermarket resellers and original sales of add-ons and accessories. The Foundation is "taking advantage" of the situation by having created the core of an ecosystem and seeing to that cost of that core element doesn't rise merely because of demand. Anyone can go to the authorized distributors and get a Pi for $35. If those distributors are back ordered and the need is immediate, then the secondary market is out there. But at the end of the day, you can *always* order a Pi at the controlled price.
Buy a raspberry Pi from RS ? I know they are a legit producer/distributor
but my own horse tells me "Not on your Nelly" or at least until such time as
RS begins to at least lift it's game ( a little ? ).
RS Components in Australia are quoting 3 to 5 weeks delivery
for the R Pi B v2. I simply don't understand this when
Farnell/Element 14 in Australia has plenty of stock and is delivering
same or next day ?
I have 3 Pis ordered from RS or its US subsidiary. Yes, RS guessed wrong about the medium term demand and got caught short. RS got overwhelmed by the response. RS is working on clearing their backlog. RS still has a ways to go.
Farnell took the risk (and a risk it was) that the initial interest reflected the real demand. They made a better estimate of the actual demand. That's good. They've had back orders from time to time, too. Not as big or long a backlog as RS, but not perfect, either.
I will continue to deal with RS Components over their trade counter as I have always done. Until people here tell me that things have changed
I will NOT buy anything online from RS Components.
If that's your experience, then that's your experience. I have seen delays (I found it amusing to see them take over 2 months to deliver some Pi cases...I mean some simple injection molded plastic?), but nothing I couldn't live with. For my own projects, I have planned ahead because the initial ordering snafu showed that just buying Pis off the shelf was going to take quite a while. As a result, I have everything I need that isn't really an off the shelf item for a project with a hard execution date...specifically a convention for which I'm in charge of convention registration. That date can't be moved...so I ordered early and often and I have what I need.
But then, I *expect* things to go wrong at the worst possible time...