bat0nas
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Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:28 am

Hi,

Can't find it.
Except one in the mid of the High Temperature thread. Someone posted it. But not sure if it's official or not.

So what is the official location for stable and beta firmwares including release notes.

Thanks!

pagenotfound
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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:40 am

X2

And we're told to get it from some Google drive instead of the official Github or raspberry.org, IIRC. And I vaguely remember that there were issues with this 300 mW saving USB firmware update. And is all this going to be handled by the package manager in the future?

There should be a religiously updated, easy to find sticky with all the info. With 4(?) different kinds of firmware and various releases each solving (or creating) various issues this firmware business could otherwise become very confusing in the long run.

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am

pagenotfound wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:40 am
X2

And we're told to get it from some Google drive instead of the official Github or raspberry.org, IIRC. And I vaguely remember that there were issues with this 300 mW saving USB firmware update. And is all this going to be handled by the package manager in the future?

There should be a religiously updated, easy to find sticky with all the info. With 4(?) different kinds of firmware and various releases each solving (or creating) various issues this firmware business could otherwise become very confusing in the long run.
Thank you for volunteering to organise all this for us. :-)

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:26 am

As previously said, the only official ways to get firmwares updates (VC blob, VLI firmware or bootrom) are through the raspbian repositories and official images available on "Downloads" section.

All other you may find on the forum are for testing purposes, and are not intended to be downloaded for regular users.

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:49 am

rpdom wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am
pagenotfound wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:40 am
X2

And we're told to get it from some Google drive instead of the official Github or raspberry.org, IIRC. And I vaguely remember that there were issues with this 300 mW saving USB firmware update. And is all this going to be handled by the package manager in the future?

There should be a religiously updated, easy to find sticky with all the info. With 4(?) different kinds of firmware and various releases each solving (or creating) various issues this firmware business could otherwise become very confusing in the long run.
Thank you for volunteering to organise all this for us. :-)
Actually, while I an a huge fan of Open Software and deeply believe in the community model, I really really want firmware totally under the thumb of the the company. They make it, they document it, they release it. The community certainly has a part in testing it, and I have no issues with being part of a beta program. Way to many chances for some well meaning person to make an "opps" and create firmware that kills a Pi.

Once things age out of official support, that is a different story.

pagenotfound
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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:30 pm

rpdom wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am
pagenotfound wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:40 am
X2

And we're told to get it from some Google drive instead of the official Github or raspberry.org, IIRC. And I vaguely remember that there were issues with this 300 mW saving USB firmware update. And is all this going to be handled by the package manager in the future?

There should be a religiously updated, easy to find sticky with all the info. With 4(?) different kinds of firmware and various releases each solving (or creating) various issues this firmware business could otherwise become very confusing in the long run.
Thank you for volunteering to organise all this for us. :-)
Thanks for your highly original quip.

You do realize that firmware is the most fundamental and therefore dangerous part of the whole software stack? As for the rest, see the reply by bjtheone. Took the words out of my mouth.

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:40 pm

But there's nothing to release?

There's no new firmware.

Any firmware out there is beta...maybe alpha quality judging from posts. It is not ready to be released in any serious way.

And there's not even an approved, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM yet.
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pagenotfound
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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:24 am

Fraoch wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:40 pm
But there's nothing to release?

There's no new firmware.

Any firmware out there is beta...maybe alpha quality judging from posts. It is not ready to be released in any serious way.

And there's not even an approved, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM yet.
Well, it has been published, so it's probably not really alpha anymore. In fact,in this case https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... 7#p1490467 it's stated that the alpha phase is over. The publishing process is a little bit random, though. In the middle of some thread, with little explanation and no clear warnings. So you first have know it exists, second find it and third be sure it hasn't already been found buggy and superseded by a newer version. Would you not prefer that the people who really know what's going on collect everything in one place with complete and authoritative information?

Please note that I'm not asking for anything unusual or outrageously difficult. A page with release notes and corresponding links? I'm sure you've seen that before. Come to think of it, I'm also quite sure that industrial customers will flat out demand this and it will be done, regardless of what you and I say here.

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:27 am

When the new EEPROM is made official it will be listed on the downloads page with the release notes will will unsurprisingly look pretty much identical to the ones already posted here.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... 7&t=246027

Alpha/beta releases and release notes will continue to be posted on the forums. That's deliberate, only the stable official releases are linked to from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

"And there's not even an approved, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM yet."
The rescue image upgrade process is still the official, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM and is documented on
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

There will be a Debian package which allows unattended (no manual SD-CARD swapping) upgrades at the next reboot. When this is ready for beta-testing there will be an announcement here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=117

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Re: Official Pi 4 firmware download page?

Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:34 am

timg236 wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:27 am
When the new EEPROM is made official it will be listed on the downloads page with the release notes will will unsurprisingly look pretty much identical to the ones already posted here.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... 7&t=246027

Alpha/beta releases and release notes will continue to be posted on the forums. That's deliberate, only the stable official releases are linked to from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

"And there's not even an approved, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM yet."
The rescue image upgrade process is still the official, stable way to upgrade the EEPROM and is documented on
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/

There will be a Debian package which allows unattended (no manual SD-CARD swapping) upgrades at the next reboot. When this is ready for beta-testing there will be an announcement here https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=117

Thank you for clarification...
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