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Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:42 pm

Hello guys,
I use a Raspberry PI 4 as a desktop for my son.
On my Linux Mint I just installed the game plattform Steam.
I thought it might be possible on the PI as well.
But during install I get this, se images.
Is there a solution to this?
Funny it need 32-bits-lib since Raspberry PI 4 is 64, or am I wrong?
Best regards
Fredrik
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:17 pm

I see mention of i386 packages. Which is for Intel/AMD 32-bit CPUs.

The Raspberry Pi range uses ARM CPUs which won't run i386 code.

The Pi 4B uses 64-bit ARMv8 CPUs, but for the current version of Raspbian and most other operating systems it runs in 32-bit ARMv7 mode.

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:31 pm

fredand44 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:42 pm
Hello guys,
I use a Raspberry PI 4 as a desktop for my son.
On my Linux Mint I just installed the game plattform Steam.
I thought it might be possible on the PI as well.
But during install I get this, se images.
Is there a solution to this?
Funny it need 32-bits-lib since Raspberry PI 4 is 64, or am I wrong?
Best regards
Fredrik

Please read the Steam OS Specifications which clearly state it is for x86 " Intel or AMD 64-bit capable processor " CPU Architecture:

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown


Though there is Steam Link, which may be of interest:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/steam- ... pberry-pi/
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:47 pm

It's not a case of 32 or 64 bit, Raspbian is 32 bit anyway. It's a case of Steam requiring an x86 processor i.e. Intel/AMD, the RPi has an ARM processor, totally incompatible (unless you use an x86 emulator but that won't be fast). As far as I know Steam itself isn't available for ARM, they do have SteamLink available which basically allows you to stream the audio/video from Steam on a PC/laptop to the RPi which then outputs it to your TV/monitor.

I think it's in the standard repo but I don't know if it works on Buster (it only mentions Stretch and that was what I tried it on ages ago). There is a link here about it https://support.steampowered.com/kb_art ... -IFGH-6589
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:33 pm

Paeryn wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:47 pm
It's not a case of 32 or 64 bit, Raspbian is 32 bit anyway. It's a case of Steam requiring an x86 processor i.e. Intel/AMD, the RPi has an ARM processor, totally incompatible (unless you use an x86 emulator but that won't be fast). As far as I know Steam itself isn't available for ARM, they do have SteamLink available which basically allows you to stream the audio/video from Steam on a PC/laptop to the RPi which then outputs it to your TV/monitor.

I think it's in the standard repo but I don't know if it works on Buster (it only mentions Stretch and that was what I tried it on ages ago). There is a link here about it https://support.steampowered.com/kb_art ... -IFGH-6589

Yep all stated in previous responses :shock:
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:56 pm

Wait for the Pi 4 to get hot, put a saucepan of water on it. Steam.

sorry, couldnt resist.

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:11 pm

Hello guys!
Thanks for all replies, really helpful and clarify it for me!
So then I guess it is up to Steam if they would provide installation for ARM, bit probably not I guess.
Best regards
Fredrik

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:30 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:33 pm
Paeryn wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:47 pm
...

Yep all stated in previous responses :shock:
These fora used to always warn when other replies had been posted before submitting but lately it's not always done so, there hadn't been any replies when I started my reply. :?
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:14 pm

fredand44 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:11 pm
So then I guess it is up to Steam if they would provide installation for ARM, bit probably not I guess.
Not just Valve (Steam) but also for the game developers that sell their games on the steam platform. My guess is there is not enough market (possible) or the arm processor can't compete with the x86 processors (probable).

Steam link is your best bet but you'd still need an x86 based pc.

EDIT: Steam Link works with buster but depending on network connection can be laggy.
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:10 pm

jondallimore wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:56 pm
Wait for the Pi 4 to get hot, put a saucepan of water on it. Steam.

sorry, couldnt resist.
It wont go above 80 degrees Celsius in any case, so water wont boil (at sea level) so indeed no steam (just as expected). :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

you can use an app to stream a steam game running on a (X86) PC to a raspberry PI, so you can control steam games with a PI.

maybe sometime the market for ARM based clients will be big enough for Steam to introduce Steam for ARM based Linux computers like the PI, perhaps when the RPI5 is launched in a couple of years, and the marked has developed a bit further.
never say never. :mrgreen:

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:02 pm

jondallimore wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:56 pm
Wait for the Pi 4 to get hot, put a saucepan of water on it. Steam.

sorry, couldnt resist.
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Speaking of which - when is someone going to make a tiny boiler at top of Pi4's processor and turn whole computer into proper Steam Punk theme - along with capturing *some* of the thermal energy and convert it back to electric to power the same Pi again... Ah, I'm daydreaming again... :roll:

Now seriously - I would be interested in seeing Steam on ARM arch along with some of the games. But I'm not holding my breath - probably won't happen in this decade. On the other hand - this decade is at its end, so, just maybe...

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 pm

mahjongg wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:10 pm
...perhaps when the RPI5 is launched in a couple of years...
Ah! So we should expect the Pi5 in 2021? Thanks.... :-)

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:30 am

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 pm
mahjongg wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:10 pm
...perhaps when the RPI5 is launched in a couple of years...
Ah! So we should expect the Pi5 in 2021? Thanks.... :-)
I really don't think it is directly related to version of Raspberry Pi, but to very, very small market for game ports for ARM based architecture.
Let's pretend someone makes relatively powerful (and cheap - remember - "let's pretend") open(?) console or computer (like Raspberry Pi is) and plenty of people buy it and would like to have ports of their favourite games on it - Steam would just quickly put extra effort to provide platform for game manufacturers to provide ARM ports of their stuff.

Also, I am 100% sure that Raspberry Pi is more than capable to run 40-60% games on the market at some quality (some at full some at some of those slightly reduced). I am aware that some game studios were targeting their titles for Raspberry Pi 3 as starting platform and I am very aware how capable RPi3 GPU (and RPi1/Zero as their GPUs are not that different). If I had more time (and/or someone to maintain my lifestyle without me needing to spend time working for other people) I might have just take couple of month and make a game just to prove the point (and in relatively obscure technology like Java and LibGDX - very similar stack as Minecraft)...

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:06 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 pm
mahjongg wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:10 pm
...perhaps when the RPI5 is launched in a couple of years...
Ah! So we should expect the Pi5 in 2021? Thanks.... :-)
NO!

you are putting words in my mouth, as a moderator, I have NO special knowledge about the PI's roadmap, at all.
its why I used the word "perhaps". :mrgreen:

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:04 pm

mahjongg wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:06 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:06 pm
mahjongg wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:10 pm
...perhaps when the RPI5 is launched in a couple of years...
Ah! So we should expect the Pi5 in 2021? Thanks.... :-)
NO!

you are putting words in my mouth, as a moderator, I have NO special knowledge about the PI's roadmap, at all.
its why I used the word "perhaps". :mrgreen:
Whens the Pi 6 out? :mrgreen:

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:02 am

perhaps on 6 june 2066 :mrgreen:

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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:57 am

On Everest water boils at 69C.
But steam engines work under pressure, temperatures are much higher.
As high as 800C, 5000PSI, but the old steam trains ran lower 350C- 120-150PSI

No Pi will get that hot.
You might get some luke warm tea, in a very tiny cup?

I suppose if there is money in it someone will make games for Pi's.
Assuming in the next 2-3 years Pi4 production can cope there will be a few tens of million of them out there.
For all we know they could already be in arcade game machines.

Most of those Android games would probably be easy to port?

Steam on Buster?
Probably not the 32bit version, mainly because 64bit is the normal for gaming.
i do hope we will see lots of Pi games in the Wireframe Mag.
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Re: Steam on Buster, is it possible?

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:57 pm

Most of the games available on Steam or Google Play Store are not open source which means the chances the games will be ported to Linux or features open source game client with online servers will probably not happen at all, there are games that have been around for many decades you can't assume a software programmer is going to decide to reverse engineer the source code, and you have to take into consideration not all old games are available for purchase as a digital download.

Even if Steam was available on Raspbian Buster which games will run on the ARM CPU, Realm of the Mad God while the game appears to have low PC specs the game requires x86 computer here is a link to the game:

Realm of the Mad God:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2002 ... e_Mad_God/

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