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Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:17 am

I was looking at the latest MagPi (#79) and saw the announcement of the new official keyboard and mouse. But it appears the keyboard has 2 different layouts in this photo (note the shape of the Enter key). Are there really 2 available? If only 1, which is the real layout? I hope it's the upper one in the photo.
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:19 am

It should be the top layout for the US/AU market and the bottom for the UK market.

You can tell by where the @ sign sits.
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:17 am

DougieLawson wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:19 am
It should be the top layout for the US/AU market and the bottom for the UK market.

You can tell by where the @ sign sits.
Ah, I see. Thanks!

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:10 am

Ah... So there's going to be a US version... I'll have to get one and find out if the "touch" is decent...by having it tested by someone who is an excellent and very fast typist.

Edit to add.. Now if the RPF *really* wants me to get excited, come out with an optical trackball suitably sized to be portable.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:36 am

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:10 am
Now if the RPF *really* wants me to get excited, come out with an optical trackball suitably sized to be portable.
+1.
I've never understood why desk-hogging mice that run all over the place are so much more popular than stationary trackballs.
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Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:45 am

If its wireless (2.5GHz) count me in!
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:47 am

davidcoton wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:36 am
I've never understood why desk-hogging mice that run all over the place are so much more popular than stationary trackballs.
Probably because it is more like how you would move something manually... :D

Yeah, it took me a while to get it into my head that you just lift it up & start over again, rather than running it all over your desktop.... ;)

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:11 pm

davidcoton,
I've never understood why desk-hogging mice that run all over the place are so much more popular than stationary trackballs.
The only track ball I ever liked, circa 1982, was about 5 inches and diameter and built into the console of an air traffic radar control console. You know, with those huge round screens with vector graphics.

That took up more space on the console than my current Logitech wireless mouse.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:54 pm

LTolledo wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:45 am
If its wireless (2.5GHz) count me in!
Sorry, wired...
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:58 pm

Dito to wanting a matching trackball. Haven't used a mouse for many many years now. Nice looking keyboard. I also like the no numpad to make it smaller. :D

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:03 pm

davidcoton wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:36 am
I've never understood why desk-hogging mice that run all over the place are so much more popular than stationary trackballs.
I tend to find small trackballs give me RSI after just a short period of use. I'm with Heater in favouring only larger trackballs. I thought there was a thread where those had got discussed but I can't find it. For those who can't find old ATC consoles and don't have a surface to air missile tracker in the garden, the Microsoft EasyBall is a reasonably good option if you can find one - https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollect ... spx?id=225

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:14 pm

hippy wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:03 pm
davidcoton wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:36 am
I've never understood why desk-hogging mice that run all over the place are so much more popular than stationary trackballs.
I tend to find small trackballs give me RSI after just a short period of use. I'm with Heater in favouring only larger trackballs. I thought there was a thread where those had got discussed but I can't find it. For those who can't find old ATC consoles and don't have a surface to air missile tracker in the garden, the Microsoft EasyBall is a reasonably good option if you can find one - https://www.microsoft.com/buxtoncollect ... spx?id=225
Or maybe find an old Missile Command arcade game.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:21 pm

Logitech M570 trackball here, thumb ball really. I like that the buttons are about where they would be on a mouse. I use a padded wrist rest with it.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:48 pm

alphanumeric,
I also like the no numpad to make it smaller....
Ah yes, I do like a keyboard with out the stupid redundant num pad.

That makes space for the mouse :)

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:54 pm

>> Ah yes, I do like a keyboard with out the stupid redundant num pad.

I've found that accountants like them - they can bash numbers in quicker than on the horizontal keys.
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:02 pm

Yes. 'Er indoors does just that. When she is not pounding on a big old Casio printing calculator.

But how many accountants are using Pi ?

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:14 pm

Wireless with german keyboard layout would be nice.
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:21 pm

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:54 pm
>> Ah yes, I do like a keyboard with out the stupid redundant num pad.

I've found that accountants like them - they can bash numbers in quicker than on the horizontal keys.
But why do the rest of us get lumbered with them just because one teensy tiny part of the workforce wants them? In my company - 450 employees, and accounts team of four. So more than 99% of the number pads are probably redundant - 7,582 redundant keys! Actually, I bought my own Cherry keyboard without a number pad decades ago, so maybe it's only 445 redundant number pads...

However, my real annoyance is scroll lock. What good is scroll lock? All it ever does (as far as I can see) is get pressed accidently and stop things working as they should. Making that a two-key operation is a good thing. I'd prefer PGUp, PgDn and End on dedicted keys though.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 pm

I have a Logitech K400 keyboard. It has a trackpad where the numpad would be. Comes in quit handy in a pinch.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:51 pm

alphanumeric wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I have a Logitech K400 keyboard. It has a trackpad where the numpad would be. Comes in quit handy in a pinch.
I know I can get a keypad/trackpad, together or separate, but I like the Raspberry livery.... :sad:
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:25 pm

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Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I have a Logitech K400 keyboard. It has a trackpad where the numpad would be. Comes in quite handy in a pinch.
Yeah, the ones with the trackpad are okay. I got a BT one that was meant for Xbox a few years ago.

I do like the official keyboard, and I'll say now I probably won't get it — but being a bit of a keyboard monster it may end up in the house somehow.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:36 pm

scruss wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:25 pm
alphanumeric wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:27 pm
I have a Logitech K400 keyboard. It has a trackpad where the numpad would be. Comes in quite handy in a pinch.
Yeah, the ones with the trackpad are okay. I got a BT one that was meant for Xbox a few years ago.

I do like the official keyboard, and I'll say now I probably won't get it — but being a bit of a keyboard monster it may end up in the house somehow.

All keyboards are disappointments. That's why I'm going back to the Microwriter. It's not so far-fetched: there's a build-your-own USB version, the Quirkey Chord Keyboard.
I suppose it all depends on what your criteria are for a preferred data entry device. My wife and I use Unicomp keyboards. I should note that, at her peak, my wife's typing speed exceed 100 wpm, so she's rather picky about what constitutes a good keyboard.

And since the point has been raised, my preferred trackball is the Logitech Trackman Marble.
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:05 pm

The output of a typical software engineer is 10 lines of code per day. High speed touch typing is not a required skill.

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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:31 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:36 pm
my preferred trackball is the Logitech Trqackman Marble.
Trqackman? A mouse crossed with a duck? :lol:
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Re: Layout of new official keyboard

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:37 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:36 pm

I suppose it all depends on what your criteria are for a preferred data entry device. My wife and I use Unicomp keyboards.
I have one of those on a PC. It is very fast to type on but also very very noisy.

These are my preference (with the MX Blue keys):
https://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk- ... yboard.asp

The new official Pi keyboard is "compact" and it does not compete with these large keyboards (which cost around 4x the price of a Pi!).
The keys feel good quality which a proper click.
A good design for the Pi.
Its great having the "Windows" key with the Pi logo.

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