

Back to the original question?
Although there have been a lot of good points about why Raspberry Pi used ARM instead of x86.
I really do thank you all for your inputs.

Me. Involved in ARM stuff from near the beginning, Pi stuff from early on. Always Smalltalk.
jamesh wrote:
drgeoff wrote:
timrowledge wrote:
echmain wrote:
HawaiianPi wrote:
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Heater wrote:
DavidS wrote:
Exactly. To all intents and purposes it does not exist yet.That would be like saying that the x86 port of ReactOS did not exist in 2002 ... so it exists (just not really of any use yet).
Also, exactly.If you have previously done the Windows 10 Upgrade then you can install direct to Windows 10 (no need to start with Win7 and upgrade). Obviously if you've yet to do the upgrade then you'll need to do the upgrade process once (but only once).
If this, if that. What are you talking about? Can we stick to reality?If Raspbian required a licence key to upgrade you would have had to install the earlier version first to install the later. Your are conflating licensing issues with ease of installation.
I'm glad to here it.There are plenty of ways to install and activate Windows 10 without having to install an earlier version first.
See above. A machine with no disks and no OS is not going to be talking over that RJ45. Except for the BIOS trying to boot from the net at start up if that is possible and one configures it.Maybe you have some particular reasons for doing it the way you did, couldn't do it how others would, couldn't just plug an RJ45 in and get a network connection that way and avoid having to find drivers, but most people don't encounter the difficulties you faced.
Now you have changed the subject to that of ones own files and backups etc. God help those that live without backups.Similarly if you had wanted to keep what you had under Jessie of Wheezy without copying stuff off and back later, you would have had to upgrade to Stretch rather than making a fresh install of Stretch.
That is true.You are not comparing like to like.
You have not installed any primary device drivers lately have you? if you attempt to keep using Windows 10 after installing a video driver for a new graphics card, and uninstalling the driver for the onboard, you will need to reboot or you will crash withing 100 hours. There are ways to do this in Linux and most other OS's without rebooting, and remaining stable.
but most intel processors have onboard gpu as well?W. H. Heydt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:39 amWhile the difference on how software installs are handled is a good point, that is a consequence of using Linux, and is actually independent of the choice of an ARM processor as opposed to an x86 design.
What ARM really brings to the table is low cost and low power requirements. Since there are a lot more ARM designs that have at least a GPU built in, that is also a cost, board space, and power savings advantage.
Really, when you get right down to it an ARM design is going to be cheaper than an x86 design. If your target market is kids--where their parents are buying something the kid may accidentally destroy--keeping to end device really cheap is a very big advantage. As it happens, being able to sell the boards at such a low cost also opens up a great many uses that wouldn't happen with a more expensive board (and didn't; prior to the launch of the first Pi, the most popular SBC in the DIY/maker community was the Beaglebone at $90). The low cost also made it feasible for people with projects that need multiple Pis to make that happen. My first "project" involved 6 Pis.
Looks like a prety complete list of the advantages mentioned in this thread.Nathidraws wrote: I compiled all the points that were made in this forum post as of 6th December 2018:
Excluded points made by others if already pointed out beforehand
Btw this was pretty fun to make.
You are quite welcome.After the second page, I felt as if it went off topic, so I stopped looking for points after that page.
Then again, I think this is definitely a good amount of information to back up ARM.
Thank you all for your inputs. I greatly appreciate every one of you.
You hit Google. Or you go straight to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download page and choose the ISO installer download. If you can't figure out how to get that you hit Google again. You download it, burn it to DVD, you boot it and follow the instructions.
Be serious. Do you really think that I, a user of google since it was just a PC under the desk of Larry Page in Stanford university in 1998, did not think of that?You hit Google.
You mean this one: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows10...go straight to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download page and choose the ISO installer download...
Very true. I used my regular Linux PC to download the Win 7 image to get the machine started. And then the drivers Win 7 needed to get on the net and commence the upgrade to Win 10.You don't need to use the target machine to download;
Actually I don't know. If you can write a simple page describing how to go from blank PC and a Win 7 licence key to an up and running Win 10 installation in any way simpler than I did it I would really like to read it.I'm struggling to believe you couldn't have figured this out with your experience, knowledge and background; but now you know.
It says that, but you can install it... it will have a warning and if you do not set a valid product key within 30 days.... it will lock you out. I used that ISO and once installed and setup etc.... I bought a key online via the option from MS via following the links from the Product Key screen.Heater wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:12 amYou mean this one: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/softwar ... /windows10
Which says:
To get started, you will first need to have a licence to install Windows 10.
I know this tangent is off topic, but just to substantiate some claims, my Windows 10 laptop has not rebooted itself nor installed updates, since March. I do not experience these issues other users experience, because I customised my install and forcibly reject updates and rebooting without consent.Heater wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:35 ammperf3kt,I don't recall that anyone has mentioned that particular issue here yet.Why do people repeatedly claim nonsense about Windows needing to reboot after you install a program.
The last time I had to do that was waaaay back with Windows XP, a decade ago.
I suspect you are right though. A lot of software can be installed without a reboot.
Makes no difference, Win 10 will download and install updates every other day and ask you to wait for it to reboot itself !
DavidS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:58 amYou are quite welcome.Nathidraws wrote: Thank you all for your inputs. I greatly appreciate every one of you.
There are a lot of other advantages to using the ARM that are not mentioned in this thread, though I do not think anyone could put a complete list of advantages without spending a good deal of time researching just that one topic.
Glad we were able to help to some extent anyway.
fruitoftheloom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:06 amThis post has gone way off topic.
Bottom line is
- EU (Eben Upton) worked for old Broadcom in Cambridge at the point in history
-- he decided to make a SBC so children would experience the joys of coding which had been lost in the 1990's
-- old Broadcom had a division devoted to VideoCore which had added an ARM CPU to create a family of SoC's
-- Old Broadcom were supportive and the rest is history
-- The advantage of using BCM2835 was the wealth of talent and support from EUs colleagues (many who now work at PiTowers)
-- It was just easier to work with old Broadcom VC4 / ARM CPU than having to learn x86
-- great people in a organisation is a huge advantage !
Nathidraws wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:37 amfruitoftheloom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:06 amThis post has gone way off topic.
Bottom line is
- EU (Eben Upton) worked for old Broadcom in Cambridge at the point in history
-- he decided to make a SBC so children would experience the joys of coding which had been lost in the 1990's
-- old Broadcom had a division devoted to VideoCore which had added an ARM CPU to create a family of SoC's
-- Old Broadcom were supportive and the rest is history
-- The advantage of using BCM2835 was the wealth of talent and support from EUs colleagues (many who now work at PiTowers)
-- It was just easier to work with old Broadcom VC4 / ARM CPU than having to learn x86
-- great people in a organisation is a huge advantage !
Thank you for the information
Also I was gonna ask what everyone meant when they were saying EU, but then I saw a wiki page in the post you made that's URL said Eben Upton.
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I think most probably do now, away from servers. They are also used for number crunching.W. H. Heydt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:13 amNo. Some do, but not "most". The ones with built in GPUs are intended for cheap systems. (Granted, that's the space the Pi is in, but Intel systems aren't *that* cheap.)
..Is this a continuation of the now locked "pi vs. tablet" by gsts which became "x86 vs ARM" debate in the general discussions area?
The first isn't true: The HUDL2 tablet and other devices use an X86 and run from batteries or low cost power supply.
- x86 couldn't be powered by a low cost power supply
- ARM is much more suited, in part because it doesn’t run Windows.
- ARM will not run x86 Windows OS's
hippy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:24 pmThe first isn't true: The HUDL2 tablet and other devices use an X86 and run from batteries or low cost power supply.
- x86 couldn't be powered by a low cost power supply
- ARM is much more suited, in part because it doesn’t run Windows.
- ARM will not run x86 Windows OS's
The second is subjective at best.
The third isn't necessarily a benefit.