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Windows RT?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:40 pm

Hi!
Before I start, Sorry if anyone has all ready made a topic on this ( I couldn't search because Windows and RT are too common words. )
Anyway, I was spying over at the Windows Website, at the new Windows RT. I then saw, it is built for ARM tablets, and the RPi immediately sprung into my mind. I thought we could create a "bramble" of pi's ( see here if you are confused: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewt ... 7485#p7485
to combine all of the RAM and make a computer running Windows RT! Of course you would have to have a license for it, but I was just wondering if it was possible :?: Any help would be very much appreciated! Thanks!

P.S. don't go hard on me or anything. I'm only 10.

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:03 pm

You would probably need a Windows licence for each device.
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:04 pm

yeah but windows 8 needs about 2 gb of ram to run enough grafics powered by one cooling and lots of power so it possible is a good idea but it would require a lot of time money and licence fees

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:33 pm

Extremely unlikely. RT is only available to device manufacturers, so you would not likely be able to get a license.

Even if the RPF or whoever is considered the manufacturer were to apply for a license, it also requires a UEFI boot firmware and a much higher level of ARM core. The RPi is also extremely underpowered even with the 512MB RAM - the difficulties of running Android are similar. New Android machines ship with 1-2GB RAM now. Then there are graphics driver requirements for the graphics chipset and more

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:33 pm

yup, the microsoft surface w/ windows rt comes with 2Gb ram....
http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-GB/ ... ifications
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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:35 am

Aside from the other problems people have noted, WindowsRT requires a "bios" that is locked to a Microsoft license key (not sure what it's called on a tablet, but it's the equivalent of UEFI on a PC).

Microsoft wants WindowsRT tablet locked down tight so nothing other than what they approve can be run on their tablets that come with their software.

The Pi isn't organized that way...so, even if everything else were possible, it can't be done.

Ultimately, I think this is MS being envious of Apple's "walled garden" and wanting one of their own...in their usual ham-handed way.

This, by the way, is not to discount the possibility that sooner or later (probably sooner...) WinRT tablets will get a "jail break" and people will start running other OS's on them.

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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:45 am

Not to mention there is no ARMv6 version of it

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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:16 am

@ HiggleBottom: A Raspberry Pi for a bramble is probably not the ideal choice if you want to get a lot of CPU power. The Pi has a slow CPU and a fast GPU. If there was a way to use the GPU as a floating point unit a bramble of Pis could get interesting for scientific calculation. But for normal operation of an operation System (like Windows(R) (TM) ($) (...) ) you need integer processing power (provided by the CPU). And not all tasks can be distributed on more than one CPU. Also I have never heard of a bramble using MS Windows(R) (TM) (...) as operating system.

So all in all: Why would I pay money for an operating system which will never get even close to be usable while there is the free Linux which works nicely (provided you use an appropriate system configuration and software).

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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:09 am

Oh, ok. I just wondered if it was possible as I saw it runs on ARM. I know a lot, but not as much. Thanks anyway!

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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:48 pm

There is also the issue of tablet OSes such as RT being designed for touchscreens which have not been integrated with a Pi yet, AFAIK. This is also an issue with Android and while a mouse and keyboard could theoretically be used, a multi-touch trackpad would be better, but still much less usable than with a touchscreen.
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Re: Windows RT?

Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:52 pm

Even if it's a good idea and I have thought it myself too I don't think it's possible. The pi does not have the required ram and cpu power to even run windows rt. :cry:


P.S Writing on my Windows RT tablet (Dell XPS 10)

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Re: Windows RT?

Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:43 am

Definitely contender for thread necro of the week! To the OP - did you see the previous post was over two years ago?

(Notwithstanding your post is actually correct! But I have seen prototype devices with the slightly higher level of SoC but same GPU running RT, and it wasn't too bad)
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:16 pm

Now that the Pi 4 is out would this work? I'm desperate for Windows on my Pi
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:50 pm

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Now that the Pi 4 is out would this work? I'm desperate for Windows on my Pi
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:20 am

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Now that the Pi 4 is out would this work? I'm desperate for Windows on my Pi
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:52 am

KleinKravis,

Now that the Pi 4 is out would this work? I'm desperate for Windows on my Pi

Why for goodness sake?

And No.

Hey, jamesh said this was " thread necro of the week". Five years ago !
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:45 am

KleinKravis wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:16 pm
Now that the Pi 4 is out would this work? I'm desperate for Windows on my Pi

https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/view ... p?t=200578

Windows RT ARM is obsolete and proprietary software. Microsoft teamed up with Qualcomm to develop specific hardware, even the Raspberry Pi 4B SoC is not anything remotely like a SnapDragon SoC. So yet again a user who has failed to grasp that unlike the x86 CPU world which is fairly "standard", the ARM CPU world is littered with a wide variety of implementations.

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:58 am

Can I remind regular commenters that they were beginners once. Been getting too many disparaging posts like the one above recently. I don't want to have to use mod powers to stop it .
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:13 am

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Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:58 am
Can I remind regular commenters that they were beginners once. Been getting too many disparaging posts like the one above recently. I don't want to have to use mod powers to stop it .

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Hardly a beginner ??
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:12 pm

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Hardly a beginner ??
Define "beginner"

He has 4 posts in two years; fruitoftheloom has 21248 posts in almost six years (10 per day)
I've been here longer, but posted less; I know less about Linux than he so am a relative beginner (though I could go on all day about other things if anyone cared to listen)

Perhaps KleinKravis has a life outside?

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:23 pm

I'm a beginner.

I have been studying, tinkering, working with computers for over four decades. Still I'm a total noob all the time. Every year there is a whole new world to explore.

Anyway, I would expect that anyone coming here and stating that they are "desperate" for a particular obsolete operating system, Windows RT, on a Pi has a particular reason to do so. And hence is not exactly a beginner.

Forgive me if that is a wrong assumption.

I'm curious as to what that particular reason might be. There may be other ways to get the job done.
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:55 pm

Heater wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:23 pm
Anyway, I would expect that anyone coming here and stating that they are "desperate" for a particular obsolete operating system, Windows RT, on a Pi has a particular reason to do so. And hence is not exactly a beginner.
But not just any obsolete OS, nope they want a very short lived failure of an OS that was tied to specific hardware... That is what I call going all in.

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:04 pm

Windows RT starts out with more software compared to Raspbian OS, because the Windows RT computers are sold as tablet computers which means you will have the operating system, the touch screen, battery powered computer, a version of Windows 8 that runs certain programs out of the box, the main difference between Windows, and Linux is open source software Linux uses all open source software compared to Windows RT which will use closed source software, due to the fact Windows RT is not in development anymore that will mean you will be using all old software more specifically software that is not actively in development, if I had a Windows RT computer I would install a Linux ARM OS to provide the computer a new coat of paint.

If you are using a Linux operating system you should use Linux software Linux includes software that is similar to software that you would use on a Windows PC, you can try installing a version of Windows using a computer emulator, DOSBox, QEMU, etc.

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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:19 pm

MoonMarch,
Windows RT starts out with more software compared to Raspbian OS,
That is almost certainly not true.

But I agree. If it can run Linux, run Linux on it.
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Re: Windows RT?

Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:38 pm

*******
I have a job, and participate in other forums. Yes, I am a beginner, I use Raspberry Pi to create consumer level devices, such as smart speakers and laptops, so I don’t know much about GPIOs (except they are magical and awesome) or overclocking, but I do know hardware and Linux. I don’t give a s**** if RT is old, I just want for Windows (any version 7+) on my raspberry pi. I love Linux but Windows is sometimes nice with it’s UI and account integration. Also RT is the only ARM version of Windows that isn’t mobile.



Y’all are more toxic then the LTT forum after a controversial news story

Edit: If Windows isn't possible Gnome would be nice
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