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Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:52 pm

My RPi 3B (and the RPi 3B+) boot happily from the SD card switching over to a USB based root and boot on a Cruzer Fit USB flash drive. However if I remove the SD card, then neither will boot. The SD LED flashes and then the USB orange LED flashes but the system remains stubbornly unbooted.

Yes...
vcgencmd otp_dump | grep 17:
says
17:3020000a

Yes.. I have approved power supplies for my machines.

I've tried various things to eliminate possible problems:
a) I use rpi-clone to make clones for booting, today I made a copy of the SD card onto the USB drive using dd, just in case. This didn't boot from the USB drive..
b) A recursive find and cmp of all the files show that the same files are installed on the SD and USB file systems. The /boot partitions on both disks have exactly the same files.
c) The VFAT filesystem on the USB drive has the boot flag set.
d) Downloading the most recent version of Stretch (2018-04-18-raspbian-stretch.zip) writing to the USB drive doesn't boot.

I note that Ruben on https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/ ... ot-working has similar problems.

I think that a bit ago I had this working.. so I am beginning to wonder if some change in recent firmware has broken this or whether there is something else I've missed - config.txt setting perhaps.

Is anyone else getting this? I can live without this being solved, but it would be good to able to boot from the USB drive.

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:06 am

I run 3B & 3B+ using 2018-03-13 version without any problems, pendrives & SSD - maybe it is the Cruzer, I had one that was very slow, (I gave it away), maybe try adding a wait period into the boot sequence(?).

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:14 am

Try writing the latest Raspbian image directly to the USB drive using Etcher.
  1. Grab the latest Raspbian image from https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
  2. Grab the Etcher software from https://etcher.io/
  3. Install Etcher and use it to write the Raspbian image to your USB drive.
    • You don't need to extract the image or format the card prior to writing.
    • Just run Etcher, choose the Raspbian .zip you downloaded, pick your USB drive and write.
    • If you have trouble, verify the SHA256 checksum of the download.
  4. Safely eject the USB drive from your computer and it should boot in your Pi.
CAUTION: Writing an image to your USB drive will erase everything previously on it, so backup important data beforehand.
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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:16 pm

k-pi wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:06 am
I run 3B & 3B+ using 2018-03-13 version without any problems, pendrives & SSD - maybe it is the Cruzer, I had one that was very slow, (I gave it away), maybe try adding a wait period into the boot sequence(?).
Good to hear that this is working for you. What make of USB flash drive can you boot directly from?

You may right that this is a timing problem. However, the boot sequence is obviously looking at the USB drive because its LED lights. Maybe it's not responding quickly enough. Be good to know if there is someway of getting some logging out of the boot sequence - not found any way to do that - yet.
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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:19 pm

HawaiianPi wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:14 am
Try writing the latest Raspbian image directly to the USB drive using Etcher.
This is equivalent to doing it with dd - except that Etcher verifies the copy. However, I tried it with no success.

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:09 pm

Well I wrote a current image on an older USB stick - and proved that the machine would boot without the SD card being installed. This was an old DataTraveller that I had lying around. The result wasn't particularly useful because it was so slow. But it proved that my machine would do this - if conditions are right. So the problem appears to be the Cruzer Fit.

I've tried adding delays to the boot process in config.txt which has had no real result.

So anyone got clues about how to debug the boot sequence to find what is or isn't happening? I do note that the ether interfae starts on a boot and so presumably is looking for a net boot - having given up on the one from the flash drive.

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:15 pm

All my pendrives were 'in house' from Novatech, here in the UK, (I think they may be Kingston brand underneath).

(My SSD is a 64GB Verbatim.)

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:09 pm

@PeaSea & @k-pi OOC what does lsusb and usb-devices report? (Compared with my notes here: http://www.cpmspectrepi.uk/raspberry_pi ... rives.html perhaps?) Haven't booted from USB (yet) myself but just wondering if there's a "link" between either the "MxPwr" figure or the underlying "flash" (Some of my "DataTraveller" devices are reported as being Kingston and/or Toshiba products).
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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:39 am

PeaSea wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:09 pm
Well I wrote a current image on an older USB stick - and proved that the machine would boot without the SD card being installed. This was an old DataTraveller that I had lying around. The result wasn't particularly useful because it was so slow. But it proved that my machine would do this - if conditions are right. So the problem appears to be the Cruzer Fit.
Yup, sounds like a compatibility problem.

PeaSea wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:09 pm
I've tried adding delays to the boot process in config.txt which has had no real result.
In config.txt ... on the drive that's not booting? :?

PeaSea wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:09 pm
So anyone got clues about how to debug the boot sequence to find what is or isn't happening? I do note that the ether interfae starts on a boot and so presumably is looking for a net boot - having given up on the one from the flash drive.
There are some devices that just aren't compatible with USB booting a Raspberry Pi.

PeaSea wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:16 pm
Good to hear that this is working for you. What make of USB flash drive can you boot directly from?
I boot mine from a SATA SSD with a USB-SATA adapter.

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Tue Apr 24, 2018 6:36 am

FTrevorGowen wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:09 pm
@PeaSea & @k-pi OOC what does lsusb and usb-devices report? (Compared with my notes here: http://www.cpmspectrepi.uk/raspberry_pi ... rives.html perhaps?) Haven't booted from USB (yet) myself but just wondering if there's a "link" between either the "MxPwr" figure or the underlying "flash" (Some of my "DataTraveller" devices are reported as being Kingston and/or Toshiba products).
Trev.
The drive I am trying to use is a 64Gb Cruzer Fit - maybe it's too big? It's fine if I boot from the SD card and switch the root to the USB drive. Removing the other USB devices has no effect.

Without the SD card, the RPi boot code is certainly finding the USB drive when it boots. The LED on the drive flashes once - it's finding the bootcode.bin file and loading it. It seem then that it fails to find the USB drive it's just loaded the bootcode.bin file from, and does start broadcasting on the ether looking for a network boot.

I've tried adding program_usb_boot_timeout=1 to config.txt to no effect.

Not too worried about the Data Traveller - it was just a test - I note that some of the RPi documentation says that Data Travellers have some protocol problem which the Pi doesn't deal with.

Here's the output

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boot# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 046d:c044 Logitech, Inc. LX3 Optical Mouse
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0a81:0101 Chesen Electronics Corp. Keyboard
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0781:5571 SanDisk Corp. Cruzer Fit
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:ec00 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMSC9512/9514 Fast Ethernet Adapter
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:9514 Standard Microsystems Corp. SMC9514 Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
boot# usb-devices

T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=480 MxCh= 1
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=04.14
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.14.34-v7+ dwc_otg_hcd
S:  Product=DWC OTG Controller
S:  SerialNumber=3f980000.usb
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=480 MxCh= 5
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=02 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0424 ProdID=9514 Rev=02.00
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=2mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 1 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=02 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0424 ProdID=ec00 Rev=02.00
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=2mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=00 Prot=ff Driver=smsc95xx

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#=  6 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0781 ProdID=5571 Rev=01.00
S:  Manufacturer=SanDisk
S:  Product=Cruzer Fit
S:  SerialNumber=4C531001440113121071
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=200mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=02 Cnt=03 Dev#=  4 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0a81 ProdID=0101 Rev=01.10
S:  Manufacturer=CHESEN
S:  Product=USB Keyboard
C:  #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=100mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=01 Driver=usbhid
I:  If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=usbhid

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=04 Cnt=04 Dev#=  5 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=046d ProdID=c044 Rev=27.10
S:  Manufacturer=Logitech
S:  Product=USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=98mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:20 am

Just to double-check, you have tried it with a fresh Raspbian image written directly to the USB drive (not something copied from an SD card)?

With the OS running from the USB drive, please post the output of,

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mount

ls -l /dev/disk/by-partuuid

cat /boot/cmdline.txt

cat /etc/fstab
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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:21 am

@FTrevorGowen

After plugging in one of my 8GB pendrives that works perfectly on my RPi3B/RPi3B+ & running lsusb & usb-devices here on my desktop, running AntiX (Debian based).

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$ lsusb;usb-devices
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05e3:0727 Genesys Logic, Inc. microSD Reader/Writer
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:1000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) Flash Drive
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c077 Logitech, Inc. M105 Optical Mouse
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1a2c:2124 China Resource Semico Co., Ltd 
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=480 MxCh= 8
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0002 Rev=04.09
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp ehci_hcd
S:  Product=EHCI Host Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.7
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=02 Cnt=01 Dev#=  5 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=090c ProdID=1000 Rev=11.00
S:  Manufacturer=SMI Corporation
S:  Product=USB DISK
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=100mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage

T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=05 Cnt=02 Dev#=  3 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=05e3 ProdID=0727 Rev=02.06
S:  Manufacturer=Generic
S:  Product=USB Storage
S:  SerialNumber=000000000206
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=08(stor.) Sub=06 Prot=50 Driver=usb-storage

T:  Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=04.09
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp uhci_hcd
S:  Product=UHCI Host Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.0
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1a2c ProdID=2124 Rev=01.10
S:  Manufacturer=SEM
S:  Product=USB Keyboard
C:  #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=98mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=01 Driver=usbhid
I:  If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=usbhid

T:  Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=04.09
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp uhci_hcd
S:  Product=UHCI Host Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.1
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=04.09
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp uhci_hcd
S:  Product=UHCI Host Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.2
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=05 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=1d6b ProdID=0001 Rev=04.09
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp uhci_hcd
S:  Product=UHCI Host Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:1d.3
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub

T:  Bus=05 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=046d ProdID=c077 Rev=72.00
S:  Manufacturer=Logitech
S:  Product=USB Optical Mouse
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=a0 MxPwr=100mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid
Of your list, these two are nearest.

EasyDisk 1GB
ID 090c:1000
Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) 64MB QDI U2 DISK
100mA

V7 Nano USB Flash Drive 32Gb (O)
ID 090c:1000
Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) Flash Drive
300mA

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:58 pm

HawaiianPi wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:20 am
Just to double-check, you have tried it with a fresh Raspbian image written directly to the USB drive (not something copied from an SD card)?

With the OS running from the USB drive, please post the output of,

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mount

ls -l /dev/disk/by-partuuid

cat /boot/cmdline.txt

cat /etc/fstab
Yes I've tried loading a fresh downloaded image onto the USB drive - using dd an etcher... no go there.

All the numbers are right on the machine - honest..

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~$ blkid
/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="boot" UUID="E013-BAEF" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="de52c0dc-01"
/dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="root" UUID="a0234f39-0433-4eb4-ac0f-928bfd975da5" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="de52c0dc-02"
/dev/sda1: LABEL="boot" UUID="9872-7728" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="df53c385-01"
/dev/sda2: LABEL="root" UUID="f7eeb687-b6ef-4da9-8647-f824d2b40bf9" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="df53c385-02"
~$ cat /boot/cmdline.txt
dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=df53c385-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
~$ cat /etc/fstab
proc            /proc           proc    defaults          0       0
PARTUUID=df53c385-01  /boot           vfat    defaults          0       2
PARTUUID=df53c385-02  /               ext4    defaults,noatime  0       1
# a swapfile is not a swap partition, no line here
#   use  dphys-swapfile swap[on|off]  for that
~$ cat /boot/cmdline.txt
dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=df53c385-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait
~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-partuuid
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Apr 24 17:13 de52c0dc-01 -> ../../mmcblk0p1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Apr 24 17:13 de52c0dc-02 -> ../../mmcblk0p2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Apr 24 17:13 df53c385-01 -> ../../sda1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Apr 24 17:13 df53c385-02 -> ../../sda2
~$
The cmdline.txt on the SD card is the same at the one on the USB drive.

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Re: Problem booting stretch from USB Flash drive without SD card installed

Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:03 pm

PeaSea wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:58 pm
Yes I've tried loading a fresh downloaded image onto the USB drive - using dd an etcher... no go there.

All the numbers are right on the machine - honest...
Looks good to me as well. Which means it's probably an incompatibility issue. :(

PeaSea wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:52 pm
I think that a bit ago I had this working.. so I am beginning to wonder if some change in recent firmware has broken this...
How long ago? I tried to help someone else who said his drive worked with Jessie but not with Stretch. Of course I have no way of verifying that, but if you had it working back in the Jessie days then it may very well be that something has changed in Stretch that broke previously compatible drives.

If you want to test that, you can get the Jessie images from here:
Jessie Desktop: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbi ... jessie.zip
Jessie Lite: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbi ... e-lite.zip

Neither of those will work on your new 3B+ but you could test it on your older 3B.
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