feelslikeautumn
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:55 pm

wildfire wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:00 pm
feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:41 pm
I'm sure you are going to whinge that it is only for the pi2. To which I'll answer if you can't follow the instructions to convert it to the pi 3
Pi 3B != Pi 3B+
Isn't that the point of this thread?

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:57 pm

feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:53 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:09 pm
It is one responder playing devils advocate, not accepting a RPi 3B+ pre-built image is not available at this time for Ubuntu or a Ubuntu Flavour...

...could not find a ARMHF Ubuntu 18.04 download suitable for Raspberry Pi 2 / 3B / 3B+ despite googling.


https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/faq/
Firstly, why are you posting in a Ubuntu thread, when it is clear you have no interest or knowledge in using Ubuntu on the raspberry pi? Apart from de-railing this thread (like I've seen you do countless times) you've contributed nothing.

You won't find a preinstalled version of 18.04 for the 3B+. Why on earth would you expect to?

You won't even find a server version for the 3B. I don't see the problem with this either. Ubuntu cannot support every Arm board variation. Especially when they are concentrating on Ubuntu core/snap packages.

That does not mean the 3B or 3B+ cannot be currently run on Ubuntu/Ubuntu-mate.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:58 pm

feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:53 pm
Apart from de-railing this thread (like I've seen you do countless times) you've contributed nothing.
Just don't get him started on KWEB. please ;)
Scotty never said "I canae give her any more Captain, She'll blow".
B'Elanna Torres however did say "Get the cheese to the sickbay" :?:

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:04 pm

wildfire wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:58 pm
feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:53 pm
Apart from de-railing this thread (like I've seen you do countless times) you've contributed nothing.
Just don't get him started on KWEB. please ;)
:roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:04 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:57 pm
feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:53 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:09 pm
It is one responder playing devils advocate, not accepting a RPi 3B+ pre-built image is not available at this time for Ubuntu or a Ubuntu Flavour...

...could not find a ARMHF Ubuntu 18.04 download suitable for Raspberry Pi 2 / 3B / 3B+ despite googling.


https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/faq/
Firstly, why are you posting in a Ubuntu thread, when it is clear you have no interest or knowledge in using Ubuntu on the raspberry pi? Apart from de-railing this thread (like I've seen you do countless times) you've contributed nothing.

You won't find a preinstalled version of 18.04 for the 3B+. Why on earth would you expect to?

You won't even find a server version for the 3B. I don't see the problem with this either. Ubuntu cannot support every Arm board variation. Especially when they are concentrating on Ubuntu core/snap packages.

That does not mean the 3B or 3B+ cannot be currently run on Ubuntu/Ubuntu-mate.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You really are an unpleasant individual.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:07 pm

Back to the Original Question from the Original Poster with a RPi 3B+:
However, I wanted to install ubuntu 16.04.2 or ubuntu-mate-16.04.2, but neither will boot.
Anybody have a answer for this Poster ???
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:11 pm

OK, not at all pleased with the way this thread has gone.

Any more cack I I start wielding the ban hammer. And I really don't care who feels the wrath.

Got it?

Good.
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Please direct all questions to the forum, I do not do support via PM.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:52 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:07 pm
Back to the Original Question from the Original Poster with a RPi 3B+:
However, I wanted to install ubuntu 16.04.2 or ubuntu-mate-16.04.2, but neither will boot.
Anybody have a answer for this Poster ???
We've already answered it. In summary:

Make sure you have the latest bootloader/firmware files. Make sure you have the dtb file for the 3B+. If it still fails to boot, update kernel.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:05 pm

feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:52 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:07 pm
Back to the Original Question from the Original Poster with a RPi 3B+:
However, I wanted to install ubuntu 16.04.2 or ubuntu-mate-16.04.2, but neither will boot.
Anybody have a answer for this Poster ???
We've already answered it. In summary:

Make sure you have the latest bootloader/firmware files. Make sure you have the dtb file for the 3B+. If it still fails to boot, update kernel.

Please could elaborate how to update these files if I only have access to a x86 Windows machine to create a bootable SD Card. Therefore I could run Ubuntu ARMHF to see what it offers.
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:14 pm

Please could elaborate how to update these files if I only have access to a x86 Windows machine to create a bootable SD Card. Therefore I could run Ubuntu ARMHF to see what it offers.
No because you are purposefully trying to be difficult/are taking the urine. You can update the bootloader/dtb files very simply from a Windows machine.
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:15 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:05 pm
Please could elaborate how to update these files if I only have access to a x86 Windows machine to create a bootable SD Card. Therefore I could run Ubuntu ARMHF to see what it offers.
Google is your friend.
Scotty never said "I canae give her any more Captain, She'll blow".
B'Elanna Torres however did say "Get the cheese to the sickbay" :?:

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:26 pm

Guys, I'm not a mod and I don't have a ban hammer but I also want to ask to please try and keep it on topic ...

I had this proposal but it got buried deep in the nonsense:
MaxVMH wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:14 pm
aerdengiz wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:05 pm
- The reason I'm trying to run Ubuntu is that I want to use ROS-Kinetic-full and it's on Ubuntu that it is best / well supported.
It's not 100% what you're looking for, but maybe you could try Raspbian + ROS Kinetic? A lot of the instructions are for Raspbian Jessie while you need the latest Raspbian Stretch for the Pi 3B+, so this might not work but it's worth a try.

@topicstarter: any luck?
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:23 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:05 pm
feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:52 pm
Make sure you have the latest bootloader/firmware files. Make sure you have the dtb file for the 3B+. If it still fails to boot, update kernel.
Please could elaborate how to update these files if I only have access to a x86 Windows machine to create a bootable SD Card. Therefore I could run Ubuntu ARMHF to see what it offers.
At a guess, I'd suggest:
Download the latest Ubuntu image and put it on one card.
Download the latest Raspbian image and put it on a second card.
Compare the two - only the first partition is relevant, and Windows can see it.
Shuffle across any files that appear useful, from the Raspbian card to the Ubuntu card.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:30 pm

Burngate wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:23 pm
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:05 pm
feelslikeautumn wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:52 pm
Make sure you have the latest bootloader/firmware files. Make sure you have the dtb file for the 3B+. If it still fails to boot, update kernel.
Please could elaborate how to update these files if I only have access to a x86 Windows machine to create a bootable SD Card. Therefore I could run Ubuntu ARMHF to see what it offers.
At a guess, I'd suggest:
Download the latest Ubuntu image and put it on one card.
Download the latest Raspbian image and put it on a second card.
Compare the two - only the first partition is relevant, and Windows can see it.
Shuffle across any files that appear useful, from the Raspbian card to the Ubuntu card.

Thanks, will need to get another SDHC Card Reader ;)
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:39 pm

You can also write one of the two OS’s to a USB flash drive instead of an SD card.

(Or virtual mount it.)
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:41 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:24 am
You also need kernel7.img and /lib/modules/*-v7+ to get a bootable kernel.
Sorry for the noobish first post - I've spent the past 5 hrs formatting and reformatting cards trying to make this work on a 3B+ (i.e. ubuntu-mate), those 5 hrs are my first 5 with a Pi, so bare with me!

I've found and copied the kernel7.img, bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb but (using a windows PC), I cant see /lib/modules folder let alone any files - so I assume this is on one of the non-windows accessible partitions?? :cry: :cry:

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:21 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:24 am
You also need kernel7.img and /lib/modules/*-v7+ to get a bootable kernel.
I've copied the dtb, the 4.9.80-v7+ modules folder from a working rasbian SD card and the kernel7 and I still get stuck at the rainbow screen with a lightning bolt.

Is there a config file needing updating to tell it to use the new kernel, or some other missing step?

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:57 pm

Some progress, I've copied across from the working raspbian boot partition :-

bootcode.bin
bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb
kernel7.img
start.elf
start_cd.elf
start_db.elf
start_x.elf

And from the root partition the folders and contents

/lib/modules/4.9.80+
/lib/modules/4.9.80-v7+

That gets the ubuntu mate image booting as far as this....

Image

I'm assuming this has to be progress in the right direction as I'm off the rainbow screen of death!

Will try some more in the coming hours !

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:14 pm

Changing the root=/dev/mmcblk0p7 to 2 in the cmdline.txt got it past that error showed the splash screen booting into the gui and then black screened me - re-imaging the card again now for another go maybe I didnt need to copy all the things across that I had done.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:50 pm

Start.elf appears to be what gets it going but thus far I cannot actually get it booting into the gui.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:03 pm

It's ages since I've used Ubuntu-mate, but it think you should boot into a screen where you enter user details, rather than a GUI. Can anyone confirm? What is the contents of the cmdline.txt in Ubuntu-mate before you make any changes?

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:06 pm

This was shipped with the ubuntu image

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dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles init=/usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh

This was with the working noobs

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dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=15ca46a5-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet init=/usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles
Although I just put the original back and it still black screens after the splash screen, theres about 40-50 seconds of SD activity after the black screen before the led goes dormant, I did try plugging an analog screen in also and nothing was displayed there either.

I'm trying to use the Pi for astronomy - ekos/kstars/indi and all the guides say use Ubuntu-mate although they are a little bit old, maybe it will work on Raspbian now anyway - I dunno... Might try as I cant get ubuntu-mate working at this juncture.

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:09 pm

I feel your pain trying to solve this. I've been in your position. Although I know Linux very well, booting the pi can be really hard. If you don't know Linux well, then you've set yourself I real challenge with this. I think you are right to check out raspbian. Ubuntu-mate has its problems besides this, raspbian will be a lot smoother if it has the software you want. Good luck!

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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:40 pm

washy wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:06 pm
This was shipped with the ubuntu image

Code: Select all

dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles init=/usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh

This was with the working noobs

Code: Select all

dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=15ca46a5-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes rootwait quiet init=/usr/lib/raspi-config/init_resize.sh splash plymouth.ignore-serial-consoles
Although I just put the original back and it still black screens after the splash screen, theres about 40-50 seconds of SD activity after the black screen before the led goes dormant, I did try plugging an analog screen in also and nothing was displayed there either.

I'm trying to use the Pi for astronomy - ekos/kstars/indi and all the guides say use Ubuntu-mate although they are a little bit old, maybe it will work on Raspbian now anyway - I dunno... Might try as I cant get ubuntu-mate working at this juncture.

FYI kstars should be available from the Raspbian Software Repository:

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/kstars
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Re: Ubuntu image for the new Raspberry Pi 3 B+

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:59 pm

For anyone taking up aerdengizv's or washy's mantle, the bootloader files you need to update are bootcode.bin, fixup.dat, start.elf and bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb

If you hit a black screen like washy, then possibly you can play around with the xorg driver used. Delete this file /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-fbturbo.conf and you should switch back to the fbdev driver.

I'm really not sure if you need to update the kernel. If you do I'd of thought copying kernel7.img would of been sufficient since all the essentials should be built into the kernel. From memory I don't think you can just copy the /lib/modules/*-v7+ files and expect the modules in there to work out of the box. Happy to be corrected on that.

EDIT: washy did you copy the fixup.dat file?

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