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Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:58 am
by liz
Sorry we couldn't discuss this before - I've been dying to all weekend but contractually FORBIDDEN. Although we have been dropping big, fat hints to some of you. (And some of our partners have been a little...leaky.)

This has, as you've probably guessed by now, been in the works for months. (In fact, the day we visited the factory last month, all the Pis being made there were 512MB ones already - we had to be very careful which photos we used from the visit.) It's exciting news, and it's a decision we've made largely because we're finding an increasing number of people, especially in the developing world, who are using a Raspberry Pi as their sole productivity machine. This is meant to make things much more useable for them.

A very important point: if you have already ordered from either RS or Farnell but have not yet received your Pi, you will be getting a 512MB one.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:03 am
by RaTTuS
Aha so lots have been shipping it's just not that the RAM has been enabled ....

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:04 am
by davorin
I'm currently fighting with the Swiss Farnell section...

Though everywhere it states that the price stays the same, for business customers it doubled....but not for private customers in Switzerland...

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:04 am
by milhouse
Hooray - just had two 512MB Raspberry Pi's arrive from CPC (not kidding, ordered on 5 October, shipped 13 October and just arrived!)

PHEW!! :)

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:06 am
by davorin
On what you can detect it's a 512MB version?
Some special markings on it?

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:10 am
by liz
You can read the amount of RAM off the memory chip.

Davorin: this is almost certainly another wrinkle in Farnell's giant sales database. Please draw their attention to it; the price is meant to stay the same, and I'm sure they'll fix it once they know about it.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:11 am
by milhouse
davorin wrote:On what you can detect it's a 512MB version?
Some special markings on it?
I'm just booting Raspbian with the 240/16 split and I get the following for free - still 256MB:

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pi@raspberrypi ~ $ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        237872      95144     142728          0      12116      39420
-/+ buffers/cache:      43608     194264
Swap:       102396          0     102396
What special markings are you interested in?

The memory chip is marked as follows: Samsung 231, K4P4G324EB-AGC1, GKF4979P

And the 512MB Pi is made in the UK! :)

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:12 am
by MmmPi
Soo... will the model A be able to grab 512mb as well? :)
No idea how far 512mb chips will have come down in price.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:14 am
by RaTTuS
milhouse wrote:
davorin wrote:On what you can detect it's a 512MB version?
Some special markings on it?
I'm just booting Raspbian with the 240/16 split and I get the following for free - still 256MB:

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pi@raspberrypi ~ $ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        237872      95144     142728          0      12116      39420
-/+ buffers/cache:      43608     194264
Swap:       102396          0     102396
What special markings are you interested in?
to quote liz on the front page
"Units should start arriving in customers’ hands today, and we will be making a firmware upgrade available in the next couple of days to enable access to the additional memory."
so you cannot use the extra ram without the changes
well you may be able with the arbirty RAM split hack someone has done on the forums

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:15 am
by milhouse
Yes, understood that - hence why not surprised to see it still thinks it has only 256MB.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:16 am
by liz
Model A: sadly not. There's some complicatedness around the edges of the cost structure (in particular, margins, royalties etc. have changed a little for us to be able to bring you 512MB at the same price as the old 256MB version), which won't work for us on the even-lower-margined Model A. I've seen the parts we've set aside for the manufacture of Model As, and those memory packages are all 256MB.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:17 am
by MmmPi
davorin wrote:On what you can detect it's a 512MB version?

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cat /proc/cpuinfo
  • Model and revision .......................................................... Code(s)
    Model B Revision 1.0 ......................................................... 2
    Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed) ... 3
    Model B Revision 2.0 .......................................................... 4, 5, 6
    Model B Revision 2.0 (512 MB) ............................................ 13, 14, 15
raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb-changes

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:20 am
by davorin
liz wrote:You can read the amount of RAM off the memory chip.

Davorin: this is almost certainly another wrinkle in Farnell's giant sales database. Please draw their attention to it; the price is meant to stay the same, and I'm sure they'll fix it once they know about it.
Hi Liz

Already made them aware by phone and several emails this morning...
So far the feedback was "I will look what I can do..." (o;

Wonder what models I will get this noon from Farnell (o;

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:22 am
by milhouse
Both my 512MB versions are showing as Revision #5, I guess the new firmware will be required to differentiate from the 256MB hardware.

Just realised I've already blown the warranty on both these new units by booting them with my over clocked/over volted/forced turbo Raspbian image. Gah! :-)

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:33 am
by MmmPi
milhouse wrote:Both my 512MB versions are showing as Revision #5, I guess the new firmware will be required to differentiate from the 256MB hardware.
Can you read your RAM chip part number?

Did you get one of these little notices in with your RasPi?
Image
Photo by Ammar Mirza (mirza88) on element14 forum. Tho his post originally linking to his photos has been deleted from the thread.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:41 am
by milhouse
MmmPi wrote: Can you read your RAM chip part number?
K4P4G324EB
MmmPi wrote: Did you get one of these little notices in with your RasPi?
No, but then I ordered from CPC. The cardboard boxes both have a "512MB RAM - We have a little surprise for you..." label on the outside, and I've checked the RAM part number and it's 128Mx32/4Gbit (aka 512Mx8).

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:52 am
by davorin
Just received my order from October 2nd...with 50 sheets saying "We have a surprise for you.." ;-)))

Just talked to a sales guy from Farnell Switzerland...takes them 2 to 3 days to provide an answer for the doubled price for business customers...

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:03 am
by MmmPi
milhouse wrote:Both my 512MB versions are showing as Revision #5, I guess the new firmware will be required to differentiate from the 256MB hardware.
Wow, I wonder if any 512MB versions were sent out but not labeled as such.
If box didn't say 512MB RAM & there was no notice... one just wouldn't know. Anyone with a very recent RasPi might want to check there RAM part number.
Maybe one could just wait for new firmware... but wheres the fun in that?! :lol:

What if you don't think to update your firmware? :shock: How many non-geeks could just stick xmbc on it, not realize its only accessing 256MB & feel no need to update anything? The distributors should really have the firmware to access 512MB right from the factory.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:04 am
by davorin
MmmPi wrote:
davorin wrote:On what you can detect it's a 512MB version?

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cat /proc/cpuinfo
  • Model and revision .......................................................... Code(s)
    Model B Revision 1.0 ......................................................... 2
    Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed) ... 3
    Model B Revision 2.0 .......................................................... 4, 5, 6
    Model B Revision 2.0 (512 MB) ............................................ 13, 14, 15
raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb-changes
Hmm...I don't see any code 13/14 or 15 when I do:

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root@raspberrypi:/home/pi# cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor	: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
BogoMIPS	: 697.95
Features	: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls 
CPU implementer	: 0x41
CPU architecture: 7
CPU variant	: 0x0
CPU part	: 0xb76
CPU revision	: 7

Hardware	: BCM2708
Revision	: 0005
Serial		: 00000000d53b034e

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:12 am
by milhouse
davorin wrote: Hmm...I don't see any code 13/14 or 15 when I do:
It's not likely you will until you're running the 512MB firmware that knows about revisions 13, 14 and 15.

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:13 am
by davorin
The only difference I see is:

256MB version:

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Hardware	: BCM2708
Revision	: 1000004
Serial		: 00000000673bee0a
512MB version:

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Hardware	: BCM2708
Revision	: 0005
Serial		: 00000000d53b034e

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:14 am
by shuckle
Seem like the code is actually 5 instead of 13. Which in my opinion is more logigal anyway.

Farnell advertizes the new model as "faster". Is that only because of more memory or is the new memory also really faster than the old ?
Perhaps it is possible to overclock it more?

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:20 am
by milhouse
shuckle wrote:Seem like the code is actually 5 instead of 13. Which in my opinion is more logigal anyway.

Farnell advertizes the new model as "faster". Is that only because of more memory or is the new memory also really faster than the old ?
Perhaps it is possible to overclock it more?
Most likely just double the RAM, although I've just hit 1100/600/600/+6/+0 with the first 512MB model I have here, which wasn't possible with my old 256MB unit (which maxed out at 1000/500/500/+6/+4 - not sure which memory chip it uses as it now has a heatsink stuck on top of it - purchased from Farnell though). I can probably go a bit faster still on the 512MB RAM by upping the sdram voltage.

Edit: Got the 512MB RAM up to 700Mhz with over_voltage_sdram=6...

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:23 am
by shuckle
Well, Millhouse, doesn't your test results say the opposite? Your new card is faster!

Re: Raspberry Pi with 512mb RAM in the Wild and Element14...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:28 am
by milhouse
shuckle wrote:Well, Millhouse, doesn't your test results say the opposite? Your new card is faster!
It's only faster because it's a better overclocker - probably just improved component yield which will have no guarantees. There is no difference at stock frequencies, which is how it is sold, other than the extra 256MB RAM.