IBM became the biggest computer company in the world and never produced anything resembling the fastest or best computer on the market, and--yes--having solid software and support is how they did it.jamesh wrote:The Pi may not be the fastest SBC out there, but it is by far the best supported and the biggest seller. By probably a factor of 1000! Sales now in the 13M I believe, probably more.
One of the really odd effects of the dominance in the field that the RPF has achieved is that, for over 4 years now, nearly every new SBC that comes along has a claim to have a 40-pin GPIO header that is compatible (or "nearly" so) with the Pi. the RPF has created a de facto standard that would probably persist if the RPF went *poof!* tomorrow. The other noticeable thing the RPF achieved in the marketplace is to cause a sharp drop in what people consider a "reasonable" price for a hobbyist-grade SBC.levelcrow wrote:"Raspberry Pi Killer" is probably one of the most generic promotion phrases for any single board computer right now. It's impossible to market a new single board computer without bringing up the Raspberry Pi because its dominance has earned synonymity in the public mind with SBCs like Google has with search engines.
I'm happy for the Foundation for succeeding to this degree. I think their move to focus on software support and opening up their graphics is not only smart but admirable, particularly given that most other SBCs seem to be relying on the notoriously closed off ARM Mali GPUs, of which their vendor ARM Holdings have squashed any open source driver efforts.
Yep. There's boards that are possible Competitors that might bring something to the table that the Pi3 doesn't that justifies their price (e.g. the Pine64 Rock64 board with 4GiB of RAM, eMMC, etc...), but it's not precisely a "Pi Killer..".S0litaire wrote:My general "Rule of thumb" with "kickstarter credit-card soc's"
Unless it costs LESS than, is MORE powerful than, and has a large maker/coder/enthusiast base;
It's Not going to be a "R-Pi killer" ...
The BCM7268 is a set top box chip. Which means it lacks a lot of the peripherals required for any future Pi.madscientist42 wrote:The only real Raspberry PI Killer's going to be a Pi4 with something like the BCM7268 SoC fielded- which is going to have to wait a smidge for Eric to get the VC5 (Yes, apparently the rumors of its demise were greatly exaggerated... Eric's got a rough-cut for the 7268 out... ) work finished at the least. Oh, and there's a chance if this is where the RPF is going, that there's going to be Vulkan support out for the SoC/GPU...as it's intimated that this was a possibility since it does just enough to DO Vulkan right as an accelerator API.
The fun thing that would come of a Pi4 with that SoC or one in it's family? GigE, USB2 and USB3 root-hubs. A few more gems like it. It might carry a bit of a higher price-point, though- I don't think this SoC's as cheap as the one in the 3. I'm just eagerly awaiting where this goes- because today's announcement by Eric Anholt gave some possible future for things...
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ ... 62087.html
The BCM2835 was used in the Roku 2 set top box. In that sense, *all* existing Pis are using set top box chips. Therefore, I don't see that intended use to bar it being used in a "Pi4". Indeed, if it goes into *enough* set top boxes, that will provide the volume to amortize the development costs and drive the price down for use in a Pi.jamesh wrote: The BCM7268 is a set top box chip. Which means it lacks a lot of the peripherals required for any future Pi.
No, a set top box manufacturer saw an opportunity using a mobile phone chip.W. H. Heydt wrote:The BCM2835 was used in the Roku 2 set top box. In that sense, *all* existing Pis are using set top box chips.jamesh wrote: The BCM7268 is a set top box chip. Which means it lacks a lot of the peripherals required for any future Pi.