Nah!Anjan wrote:<snip> it would be better if Raspberry boards are based on x86 SOC even if it costs a little more it will provide more Operating System options.
What possible benefits would that bring? If you want X86_64 on a SBC spend $99 (or more) to get an Intel Atom based MinnowBoard.Anjan wrote:Raspberry Pi boards are great little computer which are cheap and provide better expandibility options than PC on stick however it would be better if Raspberry boards are based on x86 SOC even if it costs a little more it will provide more Operating System options.
1. x86 CPUs are *significantly* more expensive and one of the prime characteristics of the Pi is that it is very inexpensive...to the point that, if it it gets broken, the replacement cost isn't a deal breaker. The CPU cost alone would be more than an entire Pi.Anjan wrote:Raspberry Pi boards are great little computer which are cheap and provide better expandibility options than PC on stick however it would be better if Raspberry boards are based on x86 SOC even if it costs a little more it will provide more Operating System options.
Cheapest Nuc here in Western Rightpondia is http://www.intel.co.uk/buy/uk/en/produc ... cff-426901 for £113 (that's probably £135.60 inc VAT).W. H. Heydt wrote: So...no, moving to an x86 platform would NOT be a good idea, even if it was feasible. If your own project needs a x86 CPU, take a look at the Intel NUC. Then get your checkbook out because buying one and adding the extra stuff needed to make use of it isn't going to be cheap.
Perhaps, but the whole original idea behind the Pi was to create a very cheap computer for kids to play on and learn some programming. Putting the price up would rather detract from that....even if it costs a little more...
Curious again. What operating systems do you have in mind?...it will provide more Operating System options
It would likely have more ram. It could also run window's applications. I know that you said that anything worthwhile is already available on the pi but I suspect that's a bit of an overstatement.Heater wrote:I'm curious.
In what way would it be better if Raspberry boards were based on an x86 SOC ?
The answer to your question is that Windows GUI doesn't run on the pi. Just getting people to accept linux on x86 is very hard, toss in arm and you have a real difficult case to make. MS has failed even with windows several times, with its phones, with it's RT whatever that was, etc.Gavinmc42 wrote:What OS does not run on Pi's?
And really most of us here don't want or need to run Windows.
It's pretty clear that MS is charging a reduced fee for the reduced capability devices like win phones and tablets.How much would the license fee be for Windows on Pi, $10/20/100.
MS is not a charity or Not for profit org.
There have always been more microcontrollers than supercomputers.There are now more Smartphones than PC's.
x86 is so last century, the world runs on ARM cpu's now
Do they? We already see very little progress up to the frequencies that the x86 has had for years from the arm stuff and it often throttles. Arm uses less power because it's slower and because arm isn't usually going for that high end of a cpu, after all, it's risc. But down in its depths beyond the microcode, kind of sort of so is the new x86 stuff. Ultimately x86 costs more mostly because intel has had a monopoly position for a very long time.Even AMD are making ARM server chips.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/serve ... n-a-series
Why? Because they use less power than x86 chips.
You mean Windows people?Just getting people to accept linux on x86 is very hard,
You'll struggle to do that soon - http://www.pcworld.com/article/3063508/ ... chips.htmlbensimmo wrote:I have an Intel CPU in my Tablet, cost £100 from Tesco runs Android nicely, excellent screen etc. Last a good long time and is quick, even comes with a touch screen and a battery. So no they need not be expensive and I've had it a few years now.
Er, how do they know my needs?Specifically designed for your needs
Yes, this. The Pi doesn't need an x86. It was designed to promote education, and does that quite well. Because it's small, cheap, and low power (and literally cool), it is also terrific for hobbyist use - you can set it to dedicated tasks of moderate complexity that just wouldn't be practical for a full-fledged PC with its orders-of-magnitude-higher expense, size, and cooling and power requirements. A Pi0W with a 5V power adapter and a microSD card can easily interface to all sorts of arbitrary hardware to control it and network with other devices - for not much over $20 and it has no moving parts and fits in the palm of your hand.Gavinmc42 wrote:I don't buy Pi's to use as Desktop, surf, watch videos or serve media.
They are to learn on, hook up to sensors and hardware, make IoT stuff and prototype and make single purpose instruments.
If you mean hardware hack, I think it was because when you paid $2000 for your PC, you didn't want to risk damaging it. Now that most people pay very little for their computers, that's less of a problem. But really, the reason kids are computer illiterate is because what they use their many computers for nowadays is silly video games. A lot of adults seem to have that going on too.Heater wrote:The Windows domination for the last three decades is exactly why kids don't get to hack on computers from age 10 like they did with C64 and such machines in the past.
I don't think the hardware tamperers paid $2000 for a PC. They cobbled them together from bits, and when it got damaged it was usually one of those bits, and a PC being a modular thing that bit got replaced - it was going to be replaced soon enough anyway because hardware tamperers were constantly upgrading.stderr wrote:If you mean hardware hack, I think it was because when you paid $2000 for your PC, you didn't want to risk damaging it.Heater wrote:The Windows domination for the last three decades is exactly why kids don't get to hack on computers from age 10 like they did with C64 and such machines in the past.
The 40somethings have to work all day and don't have time or energy to do much in what time is left. So...try 60somethings and the *grand*kids.bensimmo wrote: What we have now with the Pi is the 40somethigns getting a sudden spark of interest again and think they'll have a play and get their kids involved.