FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:50 am

Hey all,

I live in Norway, and buying the B-model at the current USD exchange rate would add customs / VAT, almost doubling the price. Therefore, I am thinking of going with an A-model and buying what I consider necessary accessories from Dealextreme. I\'d really like your comments as to what would work and what wouldn\'t. Other component suggestions are also welcome :)

* For power and USB, I\'ve been thinking of combining these items:
- http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-ac-pow ... 40v-103306 ($ 3.60)
- http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cable-styl ... -hub-13526 ($ 5.31)
- http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-a-fema ... pter-26780 ($ 1.61)

The advantage of this setup would be that only one power outlet would be needed. The micro USB from the AC charger would go into the Raspi. The black USB connector from the hub would go into the Raspi\'s USB port. The red USB would go into the mini USB on the AC charger via the adapter. In theory I would then have 3 powered USB ports plus one mini USB port available. But would it work? Maybe the AC charger isn\'t strong enough?

* For networking, I found these options to be decent:
- Wireless: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini ... hite-67532 ($ 8.10) I read somewhere else on these forums that it has Linux drivers.
- Wired: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-10 ... ngle-34691 ($ 6.99) I don\'t know if it has Linux drivers, though.

* Storage:
- 4 gig: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s ... -4gb-42357 ($ 6.50)
- 8 gig: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s ... -8gb-42354 ($ 10.50) I don\'t know about the speed or compatibility of these cards, though.

As mentioned, comments are welcome!

kme
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:02 am

I would consider this one:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-3- ... able-51436
... and put the wireless dongle you have selected onto this one. Still two free USB ports ant not too much cable chaos.

However, you do remember that the A model only has 128 MB RAM but the B model 256? I we could get an A model with 256 MB I\'d certainly do this myself.

FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:11 am

That is an alternative. Actually I would only need a mouse, a keyboard and WLAN or LAN, but is that possible using just an unpowered USB hub?

I know that the A only has 128 Mb RAM, but I am unsure whether it is worth it going for a B when VAT and customs are added.

kme
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:16 am

The shown hub is powered (power connector just right of the RJ45 connector) - it just doesn\'t come with the PSU. You probably already have plenty of 5 V PSUs laying around.

FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:06 pm

OK thanks. I guess I\'ll just wait for the actual release of the B model, maybe I am lucky and the exchange rate ends up below the magical 200 NOK barrier...if so I\'ll get the B model, no doubt.

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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:48 pm

[quote]Quote from FreakHavoc on December 11, 2011, 10:50
Hey all,

I live in Norway, and buying the B-model at the current USD exchange rate would add customs / VAT, almost doubling the price. Therefore, I am thinking of going with an A-model and buying what I consider necessary accessories from Dealextreme. I\'d really like your comments as to what would work and what wouldn\'t. [/quote]

Ahhh - no. The R-Pi is currently priced in $, but its made in the UK. Since both Norway and the UK are in the EU, you will be charged VAT (at the UK rate of 20%). But, there will be no customs or import duty to be paid, because it\'s a purchase made within the EU.

kme
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:50 pm

Norway is not in the EU hence the problem. The limit for paying customs is 200 NOK and currently 35 USD is 202,50 NOK.

mobeyduck
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:14 pm

For power i was thinking of getting this one
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dual-usb-p ... plug-93896
or this one, a bit less the specs from the other one look a bit better http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-power ... plug-48851

model B would use about 700mA and the model A 500mA so yours is a bit tight and these have 2 usb ports so you can easily power additional usb ports/hubs/hdd.

You can connect them using a USB Y cable one side only provides power the other is for data+power. For instance this one for a 2,5\"
hdd http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2- ... 2-cm-65630

Mabey you want one of these http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-to-mic ... pter-58818 then you can connect your PI using a usb extension cable.


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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:48 pm

@kme: Perhaps you could make an arrangement with the Raspberry Pi foundation so that you pay half the price of the device (and that is the declared custom value), and \"donate\" the other half, dividing the payment in two?

kme
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:03 pm

[quote]Quote from gbl08ma on December 11, 2011, 15:48
@kme: Perhaps you could make an arrangement with the Raspberry Pi foundation so that you pay half the price of the device (and that is the declared custom value), and \"donate\" the other half, dividing the payment in two?[/quote]Well I\'m not having the problem, FreakHavoc does (I live in the EU).

However, what you suggest is both illegal and won\'t work as the duty is on the estimated value, not the invoiced value. The customs are not complete idiots (\"Oh, but I got this new Ferrari for 1 €!\")

FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:16 pm

Well I wouldn\'t want it to be illegal, but maybe if I bought a sticker for $ 5 I could receive a small discount on a B model (say $ 33)? It would still work out cheaper for me. I don\'t see this happening, however.

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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:46 pm

Well, that\'s what I was saying except for the fact that paying only half the device is a bit extreme. Essentially, what I said was that if they could sell you the Pi for 200 NOK or a bit less so that it wouldn\'t pay import taxes, you would pay the remaining part with a donation or a sticker :)
Of course, that is all in the event of having the Pi foundation accepting such a deal.

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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:35 pm

@FreakHavoc
Oops! Really sorry about the VAT thing. (I really thought that Norway was in the EU... Still, maybe the UK won\'t be much longer :-( )

FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:04 pm

No problem walney :)

If I end up with the A, I might go for this hub that was posted earlier:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-3- ... able-51436

It is indeed possible to connect a PSU to it, but what kind do I need? I can\'t say for sure from the pictures.

mobeyduck
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:58 pm

Mabey you could get it marked as a gift/gift-wrapped, worked for me with orders form outside the eu.

And if we are lucky they can send it/sell it as educational material not sure how all the taxes work but i believe that items have a bit lower tax rate then.

FreakHavoc
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:45 pm

Hello again, does this cable
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-to-2-5 ... cable-2538

have the correct plug to deliver power to this hub?
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-3- ... able-51436

Thanks for any replies.

mobeyduck
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:34 pm

It looks a bit small to me, but it might fit only one way to know for sure is ask DX

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walney
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:25 pm

Are you sure that hub can be powered? It says it gets its power off the USB cable. I found the same one on ebay and it states that it doesn\'t take an external power supply either (see http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-2-0-LAN-3 ... 3297wt_966)

kme
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:32 pm

Yes it can be powered:
1) On the frontal photo you directly see the hole for a power adapter (right to the RJ45).
2) The text says: \"Power output: 5V/1.5A-2A\" There is NO way you can pull 2 A from an USB port whatsoever.

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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:38 pm

Crap documentation ;-)

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Jessie
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:54 pm

[quote]Quote from kme on December 16, 2011, 22:32
Yes it can be powered:
1) On the frontal photo you directly see the hole for a power adapter (right to the RJ45).
2) The text says: \"Power output: 5V/1.5A-2A\" There is NO way you can pull 2 A from an USB port whatsoever.[/quote]

Why not? There are plenty of motherboards that come with 1.5A (usually red) ports to charge devices faster. The charger for the iPad2 pushes 1.8A across a USB cable to the device. With that given I just don\'t see 2A being that much more.

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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:28 pm

[quote]Quote from Jessie on December 16, 2011, 22:54
Why not? There are plenty of motherboards that come with 1.5A (usually red) ports to charge devices faster. The charger for the iPad2 pushes 1.8A across a USB cable to the device. With that given I just don\'t see 2A being that much more.[/quote]This isn\'t valid for a general purpose USB2 port. The specialized charger ports (probably explaining the red color you talk about) may go to 1.5 A. Anything else is out of spec - even for the A type mechanical plug (not that anything will burst into flames, but you certainly won\'t get it CE marked with these specs).

And there is still the power adapter hole in the front to explain.

Andius
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:55 pm

[quote]Quote from kme on December 11, 2011, 13:50
Norway is not in the EU hence the problem. The limit for paying customs is 200 NOK and currently 35 USD is 202,50 NOK.[/quote]

Bad news 35 U.S. dollars = 208.998895 Norwegian kroner today :(

mobeyduck
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Re: Getting accessories for the A-model

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:07 pm

Then, for you, the good news is that you have to wait till end of January

[quote]We\'ll be auctioning some of the first boards before the end of the year - moving to mass production in January.[/quote]
http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi

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