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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:31 pm

In the next release, there will be a version of the desktop Raspberry Pi Configuration tool from PIXEL for Raspbian, which should make this easier.
Good to know. Indeed, the lack of it in the current version is a real burden.

Basically, it is a reversion to the bad old days - when configuration was a very mixed bag, with no central "goto" place.
If this post appears in the wrong forums category, my apologies.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:50 pm

Martin Frezman wrote:
In the next release, there will be a version of the desktop Raspberry Pi Configuration tool from PIXEL for Raspbian, which should make this easier.
Good to know. Indeed, the lack of it in the current version is a real burden.

Basically, it is a reversion to the bad old days - when configuration was a very mixed bag, with no central "goto" place.
It wasn't included originally because a lot of it was specific to the Pi hardware, so I didn't think it was worthwhile; having looked at it again, I realise that at least half of it is relevant on both platforms.

If you are happy building code from source, the initial version with x86 support is in GitHub - https://github.com/raspberrypi/rc_gui

You'll need the matching new raspi-config command line application as well - https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config

Shout if you try them and find any bugs - they are early releases at the moment.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:19 am

smokingwheels wrote:
ShiftPlusOne wrote:
smokingwheels wrote:I have a Toshiba A300 and after a few days use the background image gets distorted like little horizontal segments.
Its no big deal I rarely look at the background pic.
Could you take a screenshot?
I did with Pixel but it was ok..
Ok I need 1-2 days more uptime and will try with phone..
Try this links may work.
https://t.co/JsWlgVxJeJ
https://twitter.com/smokingwheels/statu ... 4619778048
Lots update today.

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Re: PIXEL FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:43 pm

DenisH2 wrote:I found that this works fine on a laptop running 64-bit Windows 10.

First download file 2016-12-13-pixel-x86-jessie.iso to a known location. I
created a folder called C:\Download\Pixel for this.

Next, download file VirtualBox-5.1.12-112440-Win.exe if VirtualBox is not
already installed. The same folder can be used for both files, of course.
Now, using Explorer, navigate to the folder which contains the VirtualBox
download, and click on the file to run it. Accept the defaults during the
installation process.

An icon representing Virtual Box should appear on the screen.

Start VirtualBox, and elect to create a new virtual machine.

Give a name to the machine (I called it Jessie). Set it as a Linux machine,
and set its version to 'Other Linux (32-bit)'. Give it a reasonable amount
of memory - at least 1024 KB - and in my case 2048 KB worked fine too.

Select 'Create a virtual hard disk now', and click Create.

Accept (initially) the default size of 8 GB, and the disk image type as VDI,
BUT change the 'Dynamically allocated' option to 'Fixed size'. Click Create,
and wait while VirtualBox allocates and initializes the fixed size disk image.
This may take several moments.

When the new virtual machine has been created, select it from the left panel,
and click the Start icon at the top of the VirtualBox window. Because no
operating system has been loaded, a dialog will appear that asks for an
optical drive from where to load one. Click the folder icon at the right side
of the window, and a file selection dialog appears. Navigate to the folder
where the ISO is located - i.e. C:\Download\Pixel in my case, and select the
ISO file. Click the Open button. This creates a 'virtual optical drive' with
the ISO loaded into it, and uses it to load Jessie.

THERE IS NO NEED TO CREATE A REAL OPTICAL DRIVE OR BOOTABLE USB DRIVE.

Also, the virtual machine will 'remember' this setting.

DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES DURING THE BOOT PROCESS - ACCEPT THE DEFAULTS.

With Pixel running, open a console window by clicking on the black icon near
the top of the window - which has a hint of 'Terminal'.

The default font size is probably too small to read comfortably, so change it
by right-clicking in the console window. Select 'Preferences' from the
resulting menu, and select the 'Style' tab in the resulting dialog. Click on
the item labelled 'Terminal Font' which has a default of 10 points, and
increase it to, say, 14, points. Accept the changes. Note that the window can
be dragged to a new location if required by dragging its title bar.

If we close the terminal window (by typing 'exit' and pressing Enter), and
reopen it, we see that the font setting has been remembered. However, if we
shutdown the virtual machine (by clicking on the Raspberry icon near the top
left of the window, and selecting 'Shutdown' and 'Shutdown' again, when we
restart the virtual machine, the new font size will NOT be remembered.

Next, we should show that communication is working.

Open a console window again, and if necessary change to the font size again,
and enter the command:

sudo apt install gparted

This should download and install the 'graphical partition editor'. This may
also take a few moments - obviously depending on the speed of your Internet
connection - which Virtual Box will conveniently 'route through' the same
connection you used for the initial downloads.

When the command prompt appears again, enter the command:

sudo gparted

This will run gparted as super-user and allow you to create and change the
partitions on the 8 GB virtual drive. Initially, the drive is unformatted,
and all its space in unallocated. Select 'Device' and then 'Create Partition
Table' from the gparted menu. Accept the default of an msdos type, and ignore
the warning about erasing all the data on the virtual drive.

Right-click on the item labelled 'unallocated', and select 'New' from the
resultant menu. Accept all the defaults to create an 'ext4' partition that
occupies the full size of the virtual disk. Click the 'Add' button.

The formatting will not take place immediately, though. So click the green
tick at the top of the gparted window - to execute the requested operation.

The exit gparted by selecting 'GParted' and 'Quit' from its menu.

Next, having gone to the trouble of formatting and partitioning our virtual
drive, we are going to overwrite it. Type in the following command:

~~~~
sudo dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sda bs=1M
~~~~

This will copy the whole operating system from the virtual optical drive to
the hard drive, and so will take several moments. It should report that about
1.4 GB has been copied.

Now the 'trick' ...

Exit the terminal session, and close down the virtual machine - again.

Now, from VirtualBox, create ANOTHER virtual machine, calling it, say, JessieP
and again declare it as a Linux and 'Other Linux (32-bit)' system. BUT...
select the option 'Use an existing virtual hard disk file'.

If several virtual drives exist, we can then select one from the list below
this option. In any case ensure file 'Jessie.vdi' is selected. Click Create.

A new virtual machine called JessieP should now appear in the left panel.

Start it, and after a few moments we should again see the Pixel desktop.

Now start a terminal session again, and once again change its font size.
Exit the terminal session, and shut down the virtual machine.

Next, restart it, and open a terminal session. And surprise - the enlarged
font size has been remembered !!

Try command:

sudo gparted

It will fail, because there is no such command, but after:

sudo get install gparted

it will work, and show that about 1.3 GB of our 8 GB virtual hard drive is
being used by the OS on a drive called /dev/sda1. But the remaining space has
been given over to a logical drive called /dev/sda2 with a label of
'persistence'.

Further, this command:

ls

will show a list of folders and files, but this command:

ls >denis.dat

will 'pipe' (i.e. write) that list to a new file called denis.dat.

Now exit the terminal session, and shutdown again. Then restart JessieP, and
open a terminal session again. The command:

ls

should now still 'see' file denis.dat, and the command

sudo gparted

should still work !!

If we exit the terminal session, shutdown Jessie, and then close VrtualBox, we
see that we only have ONE 8 GB vdi file - stored (in my case) as a Windows
file named "C:\Users\denis\VirtualBox VMs\Jessie\Jessie.vdi". There IS also
a folder called "C:\Users\denisVirtualBox VMs\JessieP" - but it does NOT
contain a disk image.

P.S. Defragmenting the 'real' hard drive is a good thing to do at this point,
but that's a different story...

So, we now have what is, in effect, a hard drive install.

Good stuff, and you can make the Pixel OS full screen in VirtualBox with the following -
sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms
sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-dkms
sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core
sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-x11
Then reboot.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:36 pm

@hex
TopTip:
Don't quote the whole of a long post from the same thread - this would have been much better :)
As posted earlier
I found that this works fine on a laptop running 64-bit Windows 10.

First download file 2016-12-13-pixel-x86-jessie.iso to a known location. I
created a folder called C:\Download\Pixel for this.
....
and then your extra bit
:)

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:56 pm

Where is the best place to report issues found with the pixel for pc/mac release?

For example I tried it on an old Dell Inspiron 4000 (Celeron 700mhz) and encountered the following:

The ESS Maestro sound does not work. The b43 wifi does not work. Installing b43-firmware-installer is not sufficient to get it working and someone reports modules needed to be both blacklisted and unblacklisted. Some steps on how to do this would be appreciate. Finally the character set of the keyboard did not appear to be standard pc. For example pressing Shift 3 to get the # symbol generated what I think is the Lira symbol. Pressing | on the keyboard would get you the # symbol. Finally Chromium would not run on the device because Chromium requires "sse2" which that laptop apparently doesn't have. With both wifi AND the browser down there was no easy way to get things fixed.

I did like alot of what the version brings to the table. I have not previously had anything to do with the raspberry pi's and now have a definite interest in them.

Currently I have Bodhi Linux installed on this laptop and it works "ok" with all hardware operational but Pixel appears to be more memory friendly. I was surprised not to be able to locate lspci, zram-config and a few other packages I consider "must have's" for diagnosis from the ubuntu side of things but have no real experience with "debian jessie".

*update* Ok here's where I admit I used a version mentioned in the pixel blog post that had an installer and not the "latest and greatest" official version. I went back to double check and the wifi came up just fine..sound is still broken...keyboard had to be changed to US international from UK international. Chromium still won't work without sse2. I'll have to see about putting the iso on the jumpdrive so I can dd it to the 20gb ssd on this ancient thing. USB is version 1.0 so very slow. Still great job overall. Can someone suggest how to get the ESS Maestro sound working?

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:51 pm

famewolf wrote: Can someone suggest how to get the ESS Maestro sound working?

try this-link
:arrow: alsa-project.org/#Matrix:Module-maestro3
:?:
that-link wrote:Most modern distros come with soundcore compiled as a module. You can check this in numerous ways. The easiest way is to type:

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modinfo soundcore

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:54 pm

r3d4 wrote:
famewolf wrote: Can someone suggest how to get the ESS Maestro sound working?

try this-link
:arrow: alsa-project.org/#Matrix:Module-maestro3
:?:
that-link wrote:Most modern distros come with soundcore compiled as a module. You can check this in numerous ways. The easiest way is to type:

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modinfo soundcore

Thank you for the assistance. I'll work on it and see if I can get it going.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:27 am

In the next release, there will be a version of the desktop Raspberry Pi Configuration tool from PIXEL for Raspbian, which should make this easier.
Good to know there is a next release on the way :)
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Korean input

Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:26 am

Does anyone know how to input korean language?
I installed ibus-hangul and got input indicator on the panel.
But can’t type korean even though I change the input method to korean.
Any suggestion?

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:23 am

Regarding (ALSA) sound on Pixel for PC: at one point I could´nt get sound out of my laptop 3.5 mm jack while it did come out of the internal loudspeakers, but cured it with

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# alsactl init

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:50 am

When the permanent harddisk install version for this gonna be released?
Raspberry Pi 3

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:01 pm

I have a small error when I plug my cheap old basic phone in with the mass storage device.

Error mounting /dev/sdc1 at /media/pi/8DEC-3B0A: Command-line `mount -t "vfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush" "/dev/sdc1" "/media/pi/8DEC-3B0A"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'

No, rush my PC is Toshiba A 300 and Pixel OS is up to date.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:15 pm

I am running Raspbian w/Pixel with very good success. The things I have had to change so far were:
  • Keyboard setting to US from GB
    Had to update the date, time and region
    Had to install CUPS for the printer
Here is my setup:

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ lscpu
Architecture: i686
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order: Little Endian
CPU(s): 2
On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1
Thread(s) per core: 1
Core(s) per socket: 2
Socket(s): 1
Vendor ID: GenuineIntel
CPU family: 6
Model: 15
Model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz
Stepping: 6
CPU MHz: 1596.000
CPU max MHz: 2394.0000
CPU min MHz: 1596.0000
BogoMIPS: 4810.89
Virtualization: VT-x
L1d cache: 32K
L1i cache: 32K
L2 cache: 4096K

Issue left to resolve:

I am running with 2 monitors right now and each one is showing the same thing. I am Googling to see if anyone has figured out how to correct this minor problem.

Wishlist of things I would like to see support for but know it is next to impossible at this point because of the ARM processor.

Support for Discord and Team-speak clients for communications. I know that there is some good beta work going on for Discord and Debian Linux so the future looks good in that regard, not to up to date on the Team-speak though. Still looking into that.
KB2PBR - Tim

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:55 am

KB2PBR wrote: I am running with 2 monitors right now and each one is showing the same thing. I am Googling to see if anyone has figured out how to correct this minor problem.
Try installing and running lxrandr.
KB2PBR wrote:Wishlist of things I would like to see support for but know it is next to impossible at this point because of the ARM processor.
What ARM processor? This is all i386.
KB2PBR wrote:Support for Discord and Team-speak clients for communications. I know that there is some good beta work going on for Discord and Debian Linux so the future looks good in that regard, not to up to date on the Team-speak though. Still looking into that.
Follow the Linux download links and documentation on the respective websites (Discord and Teamspeak).

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:10 pm

I have Raspbian with PIXEL for PC in VirtualBox 5.1.14-112924 on Windows 7 Pro host, easily installed using the comprehensive instructions in two previous posts - thanks to DenisH2 and Hex. I fully updated/upgraded the Raspbian and subsequently, without apparent errors, installed VBoxGuestAdditions for a Debian guest OS (see https://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing ... on-debian/).

Just two issues remain which prevent me from achieving success. Errors arise from Raspbian when I try to mount a USB pen drive (similar message to that posted by smokingwheels earlier), and also when attempting to access a Shared Drive (made visible in Raspbian by VBoxGuestAdditions).

I know I am pushing my luck with the first release of this (very promising) OS ...... but, any comments / ideas for a fix?

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:28 pm

ShiftPlusOne wrote:
KB2PBR wrote: I am running with 2 monitors right now and each one is showing the same thing. I am Googling to see if anyone has figured out how to correct this minor problem.
Try installing and running lxrandr.
KB2PBR wrote:Wishlist of things I would like to see support for but know it is next to impossible at this point because of the ARM processor.
What ARM processor? This is all i386.
KB2PBR wrote:Support for Discord and Team-speak clients for communications. I know that there is some good beta work going on for Discord and Debian Linux so the future looks good in that regard, not to up to date on the Team-speak though. Still looking into that.
Follow the Linux download links and documentation on the respective websites (Discord and Teamspeak).
1. I ran “lxrandr” and that worked. THANK YOU! Perhapse this should be in the Pixel menu in under “Preferences” as I think it a perfect place for it.

2. Teamspeak – You need the 32 bit version of the software to work with x86 systems NOT the 64 bit which is for AMD. That was the problem I was having there since I have a 64 bit system. It just seems that there should be something along the lines of a simple:

“sudo apt-get install TeamSpeak3” since this is already a supported Linux project. Anyways, I found a good video that shows how to set it up fairly easy. Not the best video but it worked for me. Talking with people now so another win :-)
https://youtu.be/AlxYHcNP7_4

3. Discord – This is what I see when I try to install Discord. Looking for the correct software right now. This is where I think I mistook AMD for ARM. I at least have my Discord account working in the browser.

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ sudo dpkg -i /home/pi/discord-canary.debdpkg: error processing archive /home/pi/discord-canary.deb (--install): package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)Errors were encountered while processing: /home/pi/discord-canary.deb
pi@raspberrypi:~ $

4. I also learned to take a screen shot with “print screen” for showing people what I am doing. Very nice it puts it in the PI directory.

5. I also learned that when I plug my Samsung Galaxy I can open it up as a USB device and transport files to/from it. I found that very handy today when I was downloading PDF files in Pixel and had to copy them to my phone. Nice.

6. I also found what I consider a good GUI mp3 player “VLC”, I also use this in Windows and have grown to like it very much over the years. Glad to see that it works in Pixel.

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sudo apt-get install VLC
Success!

7. I also installed the “Chirp” which is a frequently used radio programming tool. Looking to use this in Pixel. It was easy to install:

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sudo apt-get install chirp
http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Home

It installed a ICON in the “Other” category in the applications menu.

I'll keep all of you updated on the progress. So far so good and I like what I see!
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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:29 am

Raspbian Pixel for PC has all kinds of programming software installed, but nothing GUI to play even MP3 or MP4 files........bummer.
Specially as I read that ¨The intention has always been that the Raspberry Pi should be a full-featured desktop computer at a $35 price point.¨ here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/

Please add something like VLC standard in a next distro.

For Pixel + ARM including VLC with hardware acceleration would be a big boon.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:42 am

AntonAV wrote:Raspbian Pixel for PC has all kinds of programming software installed, but nothing GUI to play even MP3 or MP4 files........bummer.
Specially as I read that ¨The intention has always been that the Raspberry Pi should be a full-featured desktop computer at a $35 price point.¨ here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/

Please add something like VLC standard in a next distro.

For Pixel + ARM including VLC with hardware acceleration would be a big boon.
To be honest, a lot of these shouldn't be installed as default.
What Pixel (Raspian) needs is a suggestion of preferred programmes/apps* that will then be easy to install with a click here and there
(there is a GUI package manager they never seem to refer to or use, it is a bit OTT for this sort of use though, the apt command line is hit and hope, gives no details and you need to know the name already and anyway we are in a GUI)

That way it's a smaller download and install things as need.
Only the core 'education' tools should be default. (The main Programming, Browsing) etc. that are commonly used.
Take out the bulky prgrammes..
Perhaps a Pixel Lite now ?
( Because I would guess there are places with no international access on the device, you cannot get ride of Pixel Full.
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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:33 pm

Agreed - Raspbian PIXEL 86 is attractive to me as it is such a light weight distro.

Please keep it so!

Those who wish to have the heavy stuff should rather use Ubuntu or similar
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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:40 pm

smokingwheels wrote:I have a small error when I plug my cheap old basic phone in with the mass storage device.

Error mounting /dev/sdc1 at /media/pi/8DEC-3B0A: Command-line `mount -t "vfat" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush" "/dev/sdc1" "/media/pi/8DEC-3B0A"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'

No, rush my PC is Toshiba A 300 and Pixel OS is up to date.
Try

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mount -t vfat -o ...
instead of

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mount -t "vfat" -o ...

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:51 pm

They mean exactly the same thing - assuming any remotely normal shell.
If this post appears in the wrong forums category, my apologies.

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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:02 pm

bensimmo wrote:
AntonAV wrote:Raspbian Pixel for PC has all kinds of programming software installed, but nothing GUI to play even MP3 or MP4 files........bummer.
Specially as I read that ¨The intention has always been that the Raspberry Pi should be a full-featured desktop computer at a $35 price point.¨ here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/pixel-pc-mac/

Please add something like VLC standard in a next distro.

For Pixel + ARM including VLC with hardware acceleration would be a big boon.
To be honest, a lot of these shouldn't be installed as default.
What Pixel (Raspian) needs is a suggestion of preferred programmes/apps* that will then be easy to install with a click here and there
(there is a GUI package manager they never seem to refer to or use, it is a bit OTT for this sort of use though, the apt command line is hit and hope, gives no details and you need to know the name already and anyway we are in a GUI)

That way it's a smaller download and install things as need.
Only the core 'education' tools should be default. (The main Programming, Browsing) etc. that are commonly used.
Take out the bulky prgrammes..
Perhaps a Pixel Lite now ?
( Because I would guess there are places with no international access on the device, you cannot get ride of Pixel Full.
Having a GUI for a MP3 player should be considered a must for the Pixel desktop for Pc and Mac since mp3 (and modes like it) have become one of the standard learning formats for today's schools. Look at podcasts, audio books and even major companies like Amazon's Audible have made it their focus to bring you both entertainment AND education in an mp3/ogg/streaming format. That is what this thread is about, the Pixel Desktop version for Pc and MAC, not for the Raspberry Pi. If you want to keep the Raspberry Pi version small for the intent of the original system then by all means do so but do not limit what you can have the Desktop version do.

...and for the example of VLC which I listed above I was not aware that I could even install it because it is not made plainly obvious, which is needed for greater acceptance. ...and I don't mean a "condescending obvious" or a "you should of known" obvious or even a "go google it" obvious. You can't Google something you want and how to get in done in Linux (in general) without knowing how to use Linux. People that are coming to use Pixel in Raspbian will be new users and have zero to almost zero knowledge on how to do these things. It has to be approached this way of you

In other words, you want/need to have the Desktop version approach the level of Smart Phone use. It doesn't matter if you have a Andriod or a Iphone they both have several things in common that are "non-thinking" functions that make them as popular as they are today.

1) You don't have to find a program to play music or listen to an audio book.
2) You don't have to find a program to watch a video or movie.

Then you need to have an apparent way for people to choose what they want to do with their desktop. In the phone world you have the Google Play store, so you can easily search for what you want, see/read what you want and then install it flawlessly.

In the Pixel/Linux world you have:

sudo apt-get install (I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF WHAT I WANT and NO EASY WAY TO FIGURE THAT OUT)

This has been a problem for Linux (all versions) since the very beginning. This is why phone usage took off so well and the desktop Linux moment never came even close to that level of acceptance. Real shame if you ask me and yes I have been trying to do this for others, both personally and as part of a business for over 2 decades with marginal success. If I could do it all over again with what I know now...but that is for another story.
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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:40 pm

At which point did I mention Raspberry Pi ?

I mentioned Pixel (Raspian).
Everything else after that is just the same. They should mirror each other.
Nowhere did I say VLC was not a core program. That was not the point. Though I was meaning Python and Scratch and getting rid of the other less used programming tools and place them as install recommendations. (on both Pi and x86).

There is a GUI package manager in the menu, it's a little nicer to use than 'guess the name of a program' apt-get. But like I say, it's never used or mentioned by the RaspberryPi Foundation (well not that I've seen). But it is still poor in todays world of 'stores'.
Hence my suggestion for a prefered list of programmes that are easy to install with a click. Yes a store style would be nice, it once had one. It vanished before I had more than the briefest looks (and the kids really liked it, it's what they know))


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Re: RASPBIAN WITH PIXEL DESKTOP FOR PC AND MAC

Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:25 am

NicoVanDerDussen wrote:Agreed - Raspbian PIXEL 86 is attractive to me as it is such a light weight distro. Please keep it so! Those who wish to have the heavy stuff should rather use Ubuntu or similar
Raspbian Pixel is supposed to be a cheap hardware/software desktop replacement for schools around the Globe. It is now going beyond an additional programming gadget for Developed World schools (with plenty of PCs and money). Those 8 + 39 MB extra for VLC are not heavy stuff! Not even mini GUI Alsaplayer comes standard.
VLC on Pixel for PC is easy as the video hardware has been done. VLC on Pixel for Raspi ARM needs serious effort as right now even a simple 360p ,MP4 freezes its view with CPU on 98%. Omxplayer is too poor an alternative for now: first to find it (only if you knew about it), next to pause or stop it etc.

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