viewtopic.php?f=56&t=167777CaptSunset wrote:I read this whole article and nary a mention of Raspberry Pi paving the way...
"Microsoft will add an emulation layer to this version of Windows 10 for ARM that will enable x86/Win32 apps to run. (Yes, this is the Windows 10 "Cobalt" emulation technology I wrote about recently.)
Microsoft officials delivered the big news to the company's PC-maker partners at WinHEC in Shenzhen, China, on December 8. At that conference for Microsoft's OEM partners, Microsoft demonstrated a version of Windows 10 running on Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820 processor.
Microsoft is walking the Intel-ARM tightrope, by trying to make it clear that Windows 10 on ARM is meant for a specific class of devices, namely mobile PCs of the greater than 6-inch screen variety. "
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft- ... -based-pcs
Big difference this time around though. RT couldn't run 32-bit Win32/x86 desktop applications.broe23 wrote:Sounds more like they are trying to reinvent the Surface RT again. It will most likely not be a public available copy of the 2017 release of Redstone 3. Microsoft is dying in the hardware sector that is branded with their name. They continue to see losses and also that there has been a very high rate of failure of the Surface 3 and 4. Especially the power adapter.
True enough, I was just having a bit of fun.W. H. Heydt wrote:Unlikely in the extreme, unless Qualcomm lures Eben away from Boardcom.alphanumeric wrote:Announcing the Raspberry Pi 4B with a Snapdragon CPU. One can dream, lol.
Don't bet on it: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microso ... down/51568Heater wrote:But heck, when it comes to it I'm going to get in there one way or another
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 Repairability Score: 2 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair).
If the MMORPG I play (and some I used to) were reasonably straightforward to run under Linux, I'd ditch MS completely in a heartbeat.alphanumeric wrote:True enough, I was just having a bit of fun.W. H. Heydt wrote:Unlikely in the extreme, unless Qualcomm lures Eben away from Boardcom.alphanumeric wrote:Announcing the Raspberry Pi 4B with a Snapdragon CPU. One can dream, lol.
I've been wishing for a real version of Windows 10 for the Pi for a while now. IoT just doesn't do anything for me. I'd settle for 10 Mobile on a Pi. Anything is better than 10 IOT, IMHO.
There likely isn't anything you could do in 10 Mobile that you can't do in Raspbian. I'd still like to have 10 Mobile as an option for an OS though. Greedy I guess, lol. Having a touch friendly OS with my Pi foundation screen would be nice. And there are some Apps I'd like to run on my Pi.Heater wrote:The thing is, having closed source Windows and everything that rides on it is exactly what led to the situation of computer science ignorance that Eben created the Pi to correct.
As such, I am not at all happy with idea.
Anyway, what actually is it you could do with Win 10 on a Pi that you cannot do with Raspbian?
I doubt there's anything that could be done with Windows 10 that couldn't be done with Raspbian but that's not really the point.Heater wrote:Anyway, what actually is it you could do with Win 10 on a Pi that you cannot do with Raspbian?
I don't want everyone to move off of Windows. I want eveyone to have a choice--and to know that choice exists--to move off (or onto) Windows as they wish.hippy wrote: I know, some people want everyone to get off Windows, believe it would be best if everyone did, but that's not the real world most users live in.
There are two issues here, though they both revolve around the same thing. MS uses proprietary APIs, and Windows code is written to use those APIs. So long as there is no OS that runs on ARM that has those APIs, running Windows programs on ARM is going to be a right pain, and just recompiling won't turn the trick. It's not the machine instructions generated by the compiler. It's the system calls that have to use the APIs available.madtom1999 wrote:What should be worrying for MS users is why MS cant get their programs to run on ARM with a simple recompile. There's something in deep in a binary that has to be run on Intel as they no longer know what it does otherwise they'd have re-written it in ARM rather than emulate an Intel machine on the ARM.
It's marketing. MS has the brand--"Windows 10"--so every time that is mentioned for a given device, no matter how different it may be from the x86 desktop system, either internally or externally, many people *think* it's really the same thing. Look at how many threads we've gotten here from people who have heard that "Windows 10" runs on the Pi and they want to do that, and then we have to explain that "Win 10 IoT" (which does run on a Pi3) is decidedly NOT the Win 10 they're looking for.alphanumeric wrote:I don't see the common interface at this point in time on Windows devices? My XBOX ONE is about as different from my PC GUI wise, as they can be while still both running Windows 10. I don't own a Windows phone but my guess is its closer to my XBOX than my PC, Interface wise. Or even different again from those two? And Windows 10 IoT is different again. I don't know how they can even call it Windows 10. There is no GUI to speak of really. Even so, I'd still like to see something along the lines of 10 Mobile that will run on a Pi. Or like what's on my XBOX?