blue_k
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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:34 am

Hi,

I was just wondering what is going to happen after the initial 10,000 units are sold? When will more arrive? Will they still be beta boards?

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:58 am

Its a continuous process. Hopefully by the time the first batch is sold we will have a better idea of actual demand and setup a pipeline for manufacture and fulfill orders, As time goes on there will be both small changes, both improvements (mounting holes for example) and responses to varying component availability.

The current plans are for an educational package in the first half of next year, including a case, CE and RF certification, power supply, cables, software bundle. documentation, and maybe even example lessons. After that we start thinking about versions for the third world, and other add ons

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:23 pm

So after the first batch, do you have any eta on the second batch - assuming the first batch sells out quickly.
And once the first batch is gone, will \"pre-orders\" be available to guarantee a pi in the next batch?

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:32 pm

English law prevents us from taking money from pre-orders (in this country, we can only charge you money once we have the thing we\'re selling you); so there\'s no benefit for the Foundation in doing that, but a lot of downside in administration. For the time being, sales will stay on a first come, first served basis. And as Jack says, we hope that there will be a seamless transition so you won\'t notice a gap between batches.

Making something like Raspi in batches of this sort of size isn\'t unusual; most electronics companies small enough not to have their own factories operate a similar model, making devices in blocks of several thousand rather than having a constant supply rolling off machines. The difference here is that we try to be as transparent as possible in the way we make and sell the Raspberry Pi, so you get to hear about it!
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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:34 pm

I\'m worried about an overwhelming demand initially but hopefully they will do one or two per person until the supply can keep up.

So all bug testing will take place on the beta boards & the 2nd 10k will come as soon as it clear the first will sell through? No pause at all to see if any problems are reported with the 1st 10k?

(Thanks for deleting my mistaken double post)
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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:14 pm

Well, the hope is that most of the bugs have already been sorted with the alpha board! There may be some work required on the final version, but hopefully nothing extensive!
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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:33 pm

We\'re producing a smaller run which we\'ll be testing ourselves first for early-life bugs. Touch wood, we don\'t expect any problems with those. Then we\'ll move onto the 10k.
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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:11 pm

[quote]Quote from liz on November 27, 2011, 19:32
English law prevents us from taking money from pre-orders (in this country, we can only charge you money once we have the thing we\'re selling you)[/quote]

That is one funky law. God bless America.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:37 am

God bless America, where you are obliged to ask money for software updates that add or enable hardware features.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:44 am

I use linux... And windows sadly for my gaming..

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:35 am

Board revisions are usual even for big players like Asus.

Someone earlier said that producing 10k R-Pi takes around 24 hours, so that\'s not the problem - rather to find an open slot at the manufacturer\'s time line.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:55 pm

[quote]Quote from kme on November 28, 2011, 01:35
Someone earlier said that producing 10k R-Pi takes around 24 hours, so that\'s not the problem - rather to find an open slot at the manufacturer\'s time line.[/quote]

How about testing and packaging them? If it takes, say, two minutes to test each board (connect to a test jig, boot it up, run tests, disconnect, pack it up), that would amount to about 333 hours of work. Assuming two test stations working in parallel, working ten-hour shifts per day, it would take almost 17 days to ship a batch of 10000 boards (assuming no failed boards).

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:59 pm

[quote]Quote from blue_k on November 27, 2011, 09:34
I was just wondering what is going to happen after the initial 10,000 units are sold?[/quote]

I\'m thinking the entire foundation takes the next one to two weeks and thinks about anything other than Raspberry Pi...

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:04 am

[quote]Quote from Photon Peddler on November 28, 2011, 19:55
How about testing and packaging them? If it takes, say, two minutes to test each board ...[/quote]

I find it hard to imagine a two minute test included in the price of this board but I suppose if it could be fully automated then the cost might be low enough.

It looks like it might be possible for a reasonable automated test using a bed of nails to contact various points, including the unpopulated gpio/jtag/debugging pads.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:38 am

I doubt they would test every board, maybe 1 in 100 or something like that. They only need to make sure that there aren\'t any issues with manufacturing, if there\'s a fault then they will might look at the rest of the line. I\'d love to know if anyone knows for sure.

Also it might only take 24 hours to produce 10,000 but when I\'ve looked at getting PCB\'s etched you pay a huge premium for 24/48 hour service. The lead time is probably going to be 2 weeks or something, however saying that it doesn\'t mean that the RPi foundation need to wait until every board is sold before ordering the next batch (unless money is an issue). They could predict when supply would run out and order a new batch in time, unless they sell quicker than the lead time.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am

I\'m just going to take the wait and see stance. I would like to wait at least a couple weeks to make sure no body\'s catches on fire and burns their house down, just to make sure it is operating as intended, and to give people some head start to develop software for me.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:21 pm

We will test every board also because we have to give each a unique MAC address.
And no: we can not produce 10.000 boards in 24 hours.

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Re: What happens after the first 10,000?

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:39 pm

Perhaps given the situation, boards will be tested and prepped as they come to hand then, when a batch of say a few hundred have built up, they\'ll go off to shipping. That\'ll mean that the whole 10k don\'t need to be dealt with before shipping commences.

In fact, given the tight deadlines the Pi team appear to be running under, I imagine that the aim will be to have some stock ready for release date, with a constant stream coming down the pipeline thereafter. This would mean that the earliest orderers may well get hardware before Christmas (just) and the rest will filter through during the New Year. and early January.

As the demand is gauged, then the next batch will undoubtedly go into production sooner or later. Hopefully sooner!

I don\'t envy the sort of Christmas the team have let themselves in for. I just hope they get the opportunity to take some time off and relax from the pressure us loons have been putting them under!

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