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Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:30 pm
by liz
I think quite a lot of you will be rather interested in this:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/ ... erry-pi-3/

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:33 pm
by fruitoftheloom
liz wrote:I think quite a lot of you will be rather interested in this:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/ ... erry-pi-3/
Though is this for Android or the Android based Brillo IoT ??

https://developers.google.com/brillo

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:35 pm
by liz
WJDK - this article was the first we'd heard of it! (Aside from Dom, who I think actually spotted the new device tree when he was browsing the repo, because that's the sort of thing Dom does.)

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:41 pm
by alexeames
Saw a tweet about this this morning pointing to an Android Police article.

But they seemed to be extrapolating quite a bit. Will be interesting to see what comes of it :)

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Wed May 25, 2016 6:53 pm
by fruitoftheloom
alexeames wrote:Saw a tweet about this this morning pointing to an Android Police article.

But they seemed to be extrapolating quite a bit. Will be interesting to see what comes of it :)
This was mentioned on this forum last week:

viewtopic.php?f=73&t=148575


...bt still would expect Brillo IoT before Android Marshmallow ;)

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 7:15 am
by tweak42
Could Googles' interest in android on the Pi be from the developments in the recent open source OpenGL driver?

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 7:42 am
by ghans
It certainly makes their job much easier - but i guess
the main reason are the much improved specs of the
Pi3 , especially the fact that it is not an ARMv6 machine anymore.

But i believe Brillo will be somewhat different from
"real" Android , and we might be in for a surprise just
like Microsofts offer turned out to be something
different from what most people expected.

Actually , i don't see why Brillo couldn't be completely
headless ...


ghans

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 9:22 am
by edge0f17
Brillo has no graphics, or java, if that`s what you mean by headless.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 10:01 am
by NickT
Android grew from an operating system for phones with physical keys and a small display. It has subsequently been adapted for tablets with large screens and soft keys. A development environment was imposed upon developers when Eclipse was dropped in favour of Android Studio. The whole OS is still focused on user I/O through keys and a screen, so it's difficult to envisage what use a headless Android would be. As for emulation, who knows? I suppose with all its USB ports and cheapish price, then emulation for the Pi3 isn't an issue.

I'd be interested to hear other people's views on the subject.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 10:12 am
by Heater
Brillo is all about Google gaining control of your things such that you have to use their cloud services. Microsoft has a similar strategy with it's IoT and Azure offering. There are many other, smaller, examples, of the IoT "land grab" that is going on just now.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 10:42 am
by ghans
Brillo doesn't use Java or Dalvik ? Can you write apps
in Java for Brillo ?

ghans

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 11:22 am
by hippy
There is no reason Brillo could not support at least frame buffer graphics and even a windowing system as well.

It appears programming is in C/C++ using clang and all Java stuff has been stripped out -- I read that a while ago so things may have changed.

It looked to me that "Brillo" would be to "Android" what "Windows 10 IoT" is to "Windows" but I haven't kept up with developments because nothing much seemed to be happening.

"Weave", which appears to be their 'cloud interface' and device interconnection regime, did not seem too much different to the notion of using Mosquito/MQTT though I have no idea of the actual API.

If Brillo does arrive for the PI I imagine it will get as much hate for being from Google as Windows IoT gets for being from Microsoft. I suspect some will make it their mission to continually tell everyone how bad it is and how evil Google are.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 11:44 am
by hippy
These two went up a week ago ...

Brillo/Weave Part 1: High Level Introduction by Bruce J. Beare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AICY-s5Y0ec

Brillo/Weave Part 2: Deep Dive by Bruce J. Beare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIzEn8nQlPc

More can be found here -
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... lo%2Fweave

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 12:29 pm
by Heater
hippy,
I suspect some will make it their mission to continually tell everyone how bad it is and how evil Google are.
I suspect you might be referring to me. So...
If Brillo does arrive for the PI I imagine it will get as much hate for being from Google as Windows IoT gets for being from Microsoft.
That's all rather emotive. I don't hate Google, I use their cloud services, I use clang/LLVM, I use their browser, their V8 Javascript engine, etc.

I will question the sense of allowing all the worlds "things" become chained to a single service supplier. In the same way I always questioned the sense of allowing all the worlds computer systems become dependent on a single OS supplier.

At least Brillo is an opensource stack. So that makes it a lot less hate worthy than the MS IoT when talking about an educational platform like the Pi.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 1:04 pm
by hippy
Heater wrote:hippy,
I suspect some will make it their mission to continually tell everyone how bad it is and how evil Google are.
I suspect you might be referring to me.
No. You called it how it is with -
Brillo is all about Google gaining control of your things such that you have to use their cloud services. Microsoft has a similar strategy with it's IoT and Azure offering. There are many other, smaller, examples, of the IoT "land grab" that is going on just now.
That's true as far as I can see. Providers do want to be brokers for IoT data, want to take market share for themselves, and product manufacturers will often seek to lock users into using their own services to that end. I don't have a problem with that; that's business self interest.

It is unfounded criticism that these are 'data grabs' for some nefarious purposes other than to provide the services users want which I have a problem with. And similarly with unfounded claims that it is all being done to undermine or destroy the Pi, the Foundation, even Linux.

It is people asserting ""Embrace, extend, and extinguish", demonising with M$, Micro$oft, winblows appellations and the rest, simply because they don't like it and it doesn't fit with their vision of how things should be in the world they would have.

And particularly those having to tell everyone that at any opportunity.

If you are like that then, I would guess, yes you were one of the "haters" I was referring to :o

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:03 pm
by darkbibble
my android phone lasted 1 month due to it forcing me to view adverts all the time. Google after all wants to make lots of money out of you

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:11 pm
by shuckle
darkbibble wrote:my android phone lasted 1 month due to it forcing me to view adverts all the time. Google after all wants to make lots of money out of you
That sounds strange. My Android tablet has not shown me any advert at all during the first year I have been using it.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:18 pm
by Laurens-wuyts
darkbibble wrote:my android phone lasted 1 month due to it forcing me to view adverts all the time. Google after all wants to make lots of money out of you
You're probably refering to the add's in the apps. Which is a choice of the developer to implement.
When an app is free, it doesn't mean the developers are (they need to get paid too). ;)

Laurens

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:20 pm
by Laurens-wuyts
I like that Android finaly (officialy) comes to the raspberry pi.
Let's hope it's the full version. :D
Probably a reason to buy a new Pi. :)

Laurens

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:22 pm
by hippy
Laurens-wuyts wrote:I like that Android finaly (officialy) comes to the raspberry pi.
Let's hope it's the full version. :D
I am not sure what's been spotted should be taken as confirmation of anything nor an indication as to what might arrive or when. Raspberry Pi appeared in the Brillo tree a year or so ago but then seemed to just disappear.

I agree, it would be nice to have an official Android or Brillo on the Pi.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 4:51 pm
by fruitoftheloom
hippy wrote:
Laurens-wuyts wrote:I like that Android finaly (officialy) comes to the raspberry pi.
Let's hope it's the full version. :D
I am not sure what's been spotted should be taken as confirmation of anything nor an indication as to what might arrive or when. Raspberry Pi appeared in the Brillo tree a year or so ago but then seemed to just disappear.

I agree, it would be nice to have an official Android or Brillo on the Pi.
I still vote for Brillo IoT

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 6:38 pm
by hippy
fruitoftheloom wrote:I still vote for Brillo IoT
That makes more sense than Android. Android I would like. But Brillo could be useful.

It looks like the Google tree addition is only for a Pi 3. I can understand why - a more modern, faster, more powerful and 64-bit ARM architecture, WiFi and BT on-board and therefore a well defined presence, and more memory - but a Pi Zero would make a better low-cost IoT device IMO.

Though Pi's aren't ideally suited as deployable devices across the entire IoT spectrum - lack of low power modes, lack of battery management - they are useful in part, for development in particular.

I am surprised it has taken Google this long to get on-board with an official offering of something for the Pi.

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 10:03 pm
by Kratos
THANK YOU GOOGLE! I cannot wait to see what happens!

Kratos

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Fri May 27, 2016 1:52 am
by gkreidl
It's just an empty repository, so not even vapour ware but vacuum ware ...

Re: Google add a Raspberry Pi device tree to Android repo

Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 10:24 pm
by geev03
fruitoftheloom wrote:
...bt still would expect Brillo IoT before Android Marshmallow ;)
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WiFi enabled Android 6.0.1 for Raspberry Pi3 is available herehttp://goo.gl/ytWBdc