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is ubuntu snappy unofficial?

Fri May 22, 2015 10:31 am

According to the ubuntu snappy website, snappy is unoffical for the pi2. https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ ... ppy-raspi2
but wasn't it supposed to be official ??
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Fri May 22, 2015 10:56 am

The Raspberry Pi 2 is not officially supported by Snappy yet.
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Fri May 22, 2015 1:37 pm

I suspect "Ubuntu Snappy" is a busted flush. I booted it on my RPi and it sat there looking pretty dumb. There's not enough documentation to get that thing running and doing anything useful (compared to Win10 IoT).

The thrust towards a fully fledged Ubuntu system rather than a crippled version is much more likely to gain weight and usage from the RPi community.

Time to file it in Room 101 next to Android which is already in there.
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Fri May 22, 2015 1:39 pm

DougieLawson wrote:I suspect "Ubuntu Snappy" is a busted flush. I booted it on my RPi and it sat there looking pretty dumb. There's not enough documentation to get that thing running and doing anything useful (compared to Win10 IoT).

The thrust towards a fully fledged Ubuntu system rather than a crippled version is much more likely to gain weight and usage from the RPi community.

Time to file it in Room 101 next to Android which is already in there.
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Re: is ubuntu snappy unofficial?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:53 am

Hi
there is a new image under development with a lot of fixes
http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/snappy/raspberrypi2/

It requires wider testing as its author says https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapp ... 00760.html

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Re: is ubuntu snappy unofficial?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:18 am

It's a difficult definition to make.

The only OS that get full time Foundation support is Raspbian. So in some ways that's the only official one. But there is also RISCOS linked from the download page, so does that make it official? Snappy is also linked from the download page, but is un-official, because its has no input from the Foundation? WinIOT has had some publicity from the Foundation, and a small amount of help to get it going. Is that official?

I dunno really!
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Re: is ubuntu snappy unofficial?

Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:30 pm

Ricardo details the remaining issues with making it an officially supported build. It's more or less down to the rPi2 kernel not being the upstream kernel. But see the full discussion:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snapp ... 00884.html

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Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:46 pm

I think the definition of "official" is if it is supported by (i.e., can be installed from) NOOBS.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:52 pm

Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.

Raspbian is basically Debian optimized for the early model Pi.

Now, why did you want Ubuntu again?
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:07 pm

Heater wrote:Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.

Raspbian is basically Debian optimized for the early model Pi.

Now, why did you want Ubuntu again?
We are talking about Snappy, not much debian in that. Its their own spin-off linux distro.
Also I'd like to clarify,
Official means being fully supported by either the developer (in this case Canonical) or The Hardware company (ie Raspberry Pi) or both. In this case none of them consider the OS as "Official" from their point.
According to me Microsoft is doing a grate job in developing their IoT OS with official support and timely update with minor and major bug fixes. I would actually like to see how & what Google's IoT OS - Brillo - turns out to be.
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Re: is ubuntu snappy unofficial?

Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:30 pm

Now you have confused me.

Is Snappy a derivative of Ubuntu or not? Seems to be, seeing as it comes from here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ ... ppy-raspi2

Is Ubuntu a derivative of Debian that leverages the owrk of thousands of Debian packagers or not? Seems to be according to the Ubuntu web site: "Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian's architecture and infrastructure..."

Is the Raspberry Pi "officially" supported for Snappy by Ubuntu? Is the the Raspberry Pi Foundation "officially" recommending/supporting the Snappy development? Who cares? Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.

Microsoft's power grab leveraging the Raspberry Pi's success is way off topic here and something I can probably be banned for if I discuss it again.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:45 pm

Heater wrote:Now you have confused me.

Is Snappy a derivative of Ubuntu or not? Seems to be, seeing as it comes from here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/ ... ppy-raspi2

Is Ubuntu a derivative of Debian that leverages the owrk of thousands of Debian packagers or not? Seems to be according to the Ubuntu web site: "Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian's architecture and infrastructure..."

Is the Raspberry Pi "officially" supported for Snappy by Ubuntu? Is the the Raspberry Pi Foundation "officially" recommending/supporting the Snappy development? Who cares? Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.

Microsoft's power grab leveraging the Raspberry Pi's success is way off topic here and something I can probably be banned for if I discuss it again.
Is the Ubuntu OS (desktop & server) a derivative of Debian?
It is as it uses apt, dpkg and .deb. Also raspbian does the same and ubuntu os is pretty much useless to us in terms of additional functionality.

Is Ubuntu Snappy similarly a Debian spin off?
No, it is clearly mentioned that it does not use either apt, dpkg or .deb and it is canonical's in house linux distro. Also it is not meant for the same purpose as that of raspbian or Ubuntu Desktop or any other mainstream linux desktop.

As for being the official part, that's whats confusing me as well and hence i started this thread as a question.

As for the Microsoft part - HUSH.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:59 pm

Heater wrote:Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.
FTFY, you're welcome. The Snappy thing is still just a mildly interesting curio, it's mostly useless.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:02 pm

DougieLawson wrote:
Heater wrote:Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.
FTFY, you're welcome. The Snappy thing is still just a mildly interesting curio, it's mostly useless.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:24 pm

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...it is clearly mentioned that it does not use either apt, dpkg or .deb and it is canonical's in house linux distro
Ah, OK, that clears up my confusion.

I broke down at took a look at it. Hmm..interesting...isolated, containerized apps and such. Sounds slightly different take on what I've just started playing with, Docker containers deployed via the wonderful resin.io system http://resin.io. My first experiment with which is running on a Pi here: http://bccbb0d6f38d1c3dec17eaeddc737106 ... device.io/
(May be intermittently available due to crappy 3G connection). Which is Raspian based.

Yeah, I have mentioned resin here quite a lot recently, I think it's really neat.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:21 pm

Heater wrote:Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.
I'm interested in hearing about the ways in which you believe Canonical "breaks" Debian.

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Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:29 am

acewiza wrote:
Heater wrote:Ubuntu is basically Debian taken by Canonical and broken in many interesting ways.
I'm interested in hearing about the ways in which you believe Canonical "breaks" Debian.
I'd be interesting in knowing if it is 'broken', how many people care...

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Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:33 am

acewiza,

I'm interested in hearing about the ways in which you believe Canonical "breaks" Debian.
I have beside me a Ubuntu box that after some time of use decided to make psychedelic rainbow patterns all over the graphics, pulling the graphics card and going back to non-accelerated graphics was the only way to fix that. Currently it it won't accept keyboard input to X. I don't recall all the issues we had trying to use it as a dev machine. That Ubuntu is a bit old now and there are no more updates for it. Last I checked it was impossible to upgrade it to the latest and greatest without a total reinstall.

Meanwhile my colleagues never fail to moan about the modern Ubuntu GUI when ever they have to use it.

I gave up and went back to something that just works, Debian.
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:27 pm

Lubuntu is my OS of choice, but not sure I like the direction Canonical are moving in, also so far not impressed with the upcoming LXQT look and feel.

Canonical have tried differing projects ie UpStart which have been abandoned and feel maybe Snappy will go down the tubes in a few years.

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Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:01 pm

Heater wrote:That Ubuntu is a bit old now and there are no more updates for it.
So it seems a neglected system ends up broken, by whom?
Heater wrote:Meanwhile my colleagues never fail to moan about the modern Ubuntu GUI when ever they have to use it.
Ubuntu offers a plethora of GUI'sS and WM's. Use the one you like - personal preference. Nothing broken there.
Heater wrote:I gave up and went back to something that just works, Debian.
Apparently you are in the minority, because Ubuntu-flavored Debian woks just fine for many more people than does Vanilla-flavored Debian. It really depends on your application(s), but Ubuntu variants consistently garner the highest ratings and largest numbers of users, overall in the Linux realm.

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Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:49 pm

acewiza,
So it seems a neglected system ends up broken, by whom?
By Canonical of course. If I had such an old Debian machine I could up grade it through all the intervening versions and get to the latest stable. Done that many times.
Ubuntu offers a plethora of GUI'sS and WM's.
The GUI is just the GUI, only fluff, it's what's underneath that counts.
Apparently you are in the minority....ubuntu...consistently garner the highest ratings
Perhaps so. So what? That's like saying the best videos to watch are all those recommended by YouTube as "most popular", "most viewed" etc. Try it some time, it will make you despair.

I see no point in Ubuntu when all the Debian maintainers do such a brilliant job. If Canonical has a mission to make a better GUI why not just do that and make a Debian package out of it for anyone to use if they like?

What is the motivation behind Canonical?
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Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:12 pm

Heater wrote:acewiza,
So it seems a neglected system ends up broken, by whom?
By Canonical of course. If I had such an old Debian machine I could up grade it through all the intervening versions and get to the latest stable. Done that many times.
Ubuntu offers a plethora of GUI'sS and WM's.
The GUI is just the GUI, only fluff, it's what's underneath that counts.
Apparently you are in the minority....ubuntu...consistently garner the highest ratings
Perhaps so. So what? That's like saying the best videos to watch are all those recommended by YouTube as "most popular", "most viewed" etc. Try it some time, it will make you despair.

I see no point in Ubuntu when all the Debian maintainers do such a brilliant job. If Canonical has a mission to make a better GUI why not just do that and make a Debian package out of it for anyone to use if they like?

What is the motivation behind Canonical?
GUI is just the GUI? It's what below that counts? Really? One therefore has to wonder why 99.99999% of the computer using population use a GUI when its not that important, and indeed, don't actually know what is below.

Typed on LUbuntu in a VM, working fine. Use Unity at home. Thanks Canonical - you got me in to Linux. You may make some odd decisions occasionally, but I've never felt the need to change.
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