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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:48 am

what an odd coincidence, the 40 pin GPIO, mounting holes, USB ports and Ethernet port are all in the exact same positions as a B+...

It must be convergent evolution, there is no way that they would have copied the pi's layout to try and steal some of their customers...

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:23 am

I'm struggling to see how they can make that for $35. Their profit margin must be practically zero or negative.

Looks like a decent bit of kit.
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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:31 am

I'm struggling to see how much money the RPi foundation has made since 2012. :twisted:

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:03 pm

linux18 wrote:I'm struggling to see how much money the RPi foundation has made since 2012. :twisted:
As a charity, all their accounts are available from the appropriate website (which I don't know the address of offhand). But in précis, enough to fund a lot of educational work. Because as a charity that is where all the money has to go.

Hardkernel are not a charity.

Why do you want to see how much money they have made?

EDIT: Details here http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Sh ... ryNumber=0
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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Shades of Compaq et al cloning the PC/XT and PC/AT slots & mounting holes...

(sheesh I dated myself...)

I do believe we have some emerging standards...
BMS Doug wrote:what an odd coincidence, the 40 pin GPIO, mounting holes, USB ports and Ethernet port are all in the exact same positions as a B+...

It must be convergent evolution, there is no way that they would have copied the pi's layout to try and steal some of their customers...

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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:13 pm

Looks interesting, at least. Does anybody know if it has real ethernet?

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:27 pm

if you look at the specs it has gig NIC
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:34 pm

if you look at the specs it has gig NIC
I believe the question being asked is whether it has regular (aka, "real") ethernet,, like a desktop or if it is via USB (as on the Pi).

I'm pretty sure that if it is via USB, then you're never going to actually realize gigabit speed.
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Chinese chips sell cheap. On dx.com cheapest S805 is for $59, but simpler stick on aliexpress is priced at $35. RK3288 and S802 are the main SoCs among those dongles so other probably can go cheaper to get rid of surplus.

And $35 may not be the local shop price for end user just like for RPi.

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Joe Schmoe wrote:
if you look at the specs it has gig NIC
I believe the question being asked is whether it has regular (aka, "real") ethernet,, like a desktop or if it is via USB (as on the Pi).

I'm pretty sure that if it is via USB, then you're never going to actually realize gigabit speed.
It's not via USB as this SoC has native Ethernet functionality. According to http://www.amlogic.com/product05.htm it has 100mbit.

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:42 pm

riklaunim wrote:Chinese chips sell cheap. On dx.com cheapest S805 is for $59, but simpler stick on aliexpress is priced at $35. RK3288 and S802 are the main SoCs among those dongles so other probably can go cheaper to get rid of surplus.

And $35 may not be the local shop price for end user just like for RPi.
YES IT IS $35.00

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:51 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:YES IT IS $35.00 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 1578608433
Add shipping and duties. For single unit orders it's like 25-35% increase of price. For resellers the increase will be even bigger as they want some profit too. Raspberry Pi B+ at kamami.pl is around $47.36 so even within EU the price may rise above official shiny prices ;)

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:14 pm

I agree, the EMMC modules are too expensive!
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:34 pm

bertwert wrote:On the android sub-forum we should send them to this :-)
Yep.
bertwert wrote:And the EMMC cards for these boards are more expensive then the boards themselves :lol:
25 $ for a preloaded 8 GB seems reasonable. 49 $ for a 32 GB one is even cheap.
riklaunim wrote:It's not via USB as this SoC has native Ethernet functionality. According to http://www.amlogic.com/product05.htm it has 100mbit.
The quad-core A9 seems to have gbit on that page...

However, this one is based on the 805 soc and I haven't been able to find a real specsheet yet. There seem to be a lot of other devices based on the 805. From routers over set-top boxes to tablets...

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:38 pm

I did some EMMC price checking...

Those EMMC chips themselves are very expensive, the modules cost more than the C1 due to the EMMC chips prices. Argh.

It will be a while before we can expect cheap EMMC modules for any platform :-(
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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:02 pm

riklaunim wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:YES IT IS $35.00 http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products ... 1578608433
Add shipping and duties. For single unit orders it's like 25-35% increase of price. For resellers the increase will be even bigger as they want some profit too. Raspberry Pi B+ at kamami.pl is around $47.36 so even within EU the price may rise above official shiny prices ;)
If I'd want to buy a Pi from the official distributor, it's £35.50 + shipping + VAT. That includes a not only a B+, but also a PSU, SD card and case, which I don't want.

It's also hard to find on their site. If you type in "raspberry", you get a 100+ items list that still lists the model A and the B, but states "no longer stocked". I can only order the starter kit and those are "awaiting delivery" and "Supplier lead time 5 weeks"... According to:
http://uk.farnell.com/element14/kit-b-s ... dp/2431678
there's no charge for delivery for orders over 20 £, but last time I ordered, I payed for delivery...

I just might take my chances with another distributor next time.

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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:39 pm

Goods total$48.50
Shipping $9.00
Grand total$57.50

£37.00 UK

Board, PSU & 8GB SD Card
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:06 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote: YES IT IS $35.00
If you order direct from odriod it's

$35 (board) + $9 (shipping) + ~£10 (brokerage) + ~£5.60 (VAT) = ~£43.6.

They also link to a store in germany that sells their products but said store doesn't have the C1 listed yet so I can't calculate pricing via that route yet

A Pi B+ from CPC by comparision is £22.87 (board with "free" delivery) + £4.57 (VAT) = £27.44.

This assumes you are in the UK and ordering a single unit, elsewhere or bulk ordering YMMV.

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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:51 pm

Because as a charity that is where all the money has to go.
I find that hard to believe !!

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:56 pm

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Because as a charity that is where all the money has to go.
I find that hard to believe !!
UK Charities are highly regulated by the Charities Commission, please contact them if you do not believe the statement which was made, please do not start a fud war ;)
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:59 pm

He probably finds it hard to believe that the earth is round. That, of course, says nothing about the earth (But quite a bit about him).
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Re: Hardkernel ODROID-C1 is a $35 Development Board

Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:40 pm

ShorTie wrote:
Because as a charity that is where all the money has to go.
I find that hard to believe !!
Why would that be so hard to believe?

Charities do get checked and have to open their books. That doesn't mean they can not move around a bit, but I really see no reason to doubt it.

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Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:49 pm

Jeez I post about a product and it deteriates in to this crapful of responses :twisted:
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Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:55 pm

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Because as a charity that is where all the money has to go.
I find that hard to believe !!
You may find it hard to believe, but it is true. Look up the rules for Charities in the UK. All profit must go back in to the aim of the charity. You only have to look in to what the Foundation are funding to realize they are putting in a hell of a lot of money into education.

No more posts in this thread on this topic please. If you want more information you can start a new thread, but to be honest, it's easier to just read the charity commission's rules.
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