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Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 10:31 pm

Do Windows and OS X run on Raspberry Pi ?

YES ! They do ! Both at the same time !
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RPi booted with 224Mb blob, Debian, all daemons stopped, WindowMaker WM
WinXP sp2 with almost all services disabled installed under Bochs, 96Mb RAM
Mac OS X 10.3 installed under PearPC 0.5, 128Mb RAM
USB HDD formated ext3 holds both VM Disk Images & a swapfile

Started at the same time. OS X booted in 3 hours, Windows is still at the welcome screen after 5 hours.

Config files used:

Panther.pearpc

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pci_ide0_master_installed = 1
pci_ide0_master_image = "/mnt/PantherImage.img"
pci_ide0_master_type = "hd"
pci_ide0_slave_installed = 0
key_toggle_mouse_grab = "F7"
memory_size = 0x08000000
bochsrc.txt

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ata0-master: type=disk, path="/mnt/c.img", mode=flat, cylinders=8322, heads=16, spt=63
megs: 96
cpu: count=1, ips=10000000, reset_on_triple_fault=1, ignore_bad_msrs=1
romimage: file=/usr/share/bochs/BIOS-bochs-latest
vgaromimage: file=/usr/share/bochs/VGABIOS-lgpl-latest
vga: extension=vbe
i440fxsupport: enabled=1, slot1=pcivga, slot2=ne2k
ata0: enabled=1, ioaddr1=0x1f0, ioaddr2=0x3f0, irq=14
ata1: enabled=1, ioaddr1=0x170, ioaddr2=0x370, irq=15
#ata1-master: type=cdrom, path="WinXP.iso", status=inserted
boot: disk
config_interface: textconfig
sb16: enabled=0
mouse: enabled=1
#sb16: wavemode=1, dmatimer=500000
clock: sync=none, time0=1
log: bochsout.txt
ne2k: ioaddr=0x300, irq=9, mac=de:ad:be:ef:00:00, ethmod=linux, ethdev=eth0
user_shortcut: keys=ctrl-alt-del
display_library: wx

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 10:42 pm

And I thought I was crazy :D

Well done on proving that Mac OS is better than Windows but both need a Pi!

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 10:43 pm

this deserves some sort of award... :-)

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 11:06 pm

Windows finally finished loading.
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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 11:12 pm

nick.mccloud wrote:And I thought I was crazy :D

Well done on proving that Mac OS is better than Windows but both need a Pi!
To be fair, the Mac has more RAM Available ;-)
Dear forum: Play nice ;-)

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 11:36 pm

Kudos. There's a French saying about being a Conqueror of the Useless. This qualifies is the most titillating way :-)

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Wed May 16, 2012 11:39 pm

abishur: At install time (on a faster box), i stopped almost all the services from that WinXP image - Task Manager was showing that way less than 96Mb of ram was used.
I guess if had allocated 128Mb of ram to XP it would have booted in 4 hours instead of 5 :)

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Thu May 31, 2012 10:43 am

Hahaha, excellent work :D
Now you just need to run one of the RaspberryPi distros under qemu-arm ;)

Edit: do you remember what the swapfile-usage was?

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:34 pm

Wasn't able to check - the poor Pi was so loaded that the mouse cursor was jumping around the screen good seconds after i was moving the mouse. sshd and all the rest of the daemons were down so i could not login remotely. When the X11 screensaver came on, it took around 30 seconds for the screen to come back up after moving the mouse or pressing a key.
The led of the USB HDD where both VM disks and the swap file were located was blinking only sparingly after both OS-es finished loading.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:36 pm

Wouldn't it be easier to make .JPG screenshots on these systems, then display them on the PI (not to remark, "just as useful").

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:26 am

mahjongg wrote:Wouldn't it be easier to make .JPG screenshots on these systems, then display them on the PI (not to remark, "just as useful").
Soooo true.. :lol:

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:45 am

You're a total mentalist.

And it's great.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:42 am

Nice one!
What I am REALLY curious about though, is if you can run a hackintosh version on the RPi?

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:09 am

chaosz911 wrote:Nice one!
What I am REALLY curious about though, is if you can run a hackintosh version on the RPi?
No!

That would require the Pi to have an Intel compatible processor instead of the ARM processor it actual uses.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:33 am

chaosz911 wrote:Nice one!
What I am REALLY curious about though, is if you can run a hackintosh version on the RPi?
Nope. The hardware emulated by Bochs is not supported by OS X 10.4 Intel or newer.
Max you can do with Bochs is Rhapsody.

it COULD be possible with QEMU - the main issue being that OS X for Intel wants a minimum of 512Mb or RAM. If i have some spare time, i will try.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:47 am

I have OSX 10.5.2, full install Intel edition for iMac, on Pi.

Proof here : http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7189271093/

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:02 pm

Hey Psergio, I want to run Windows XP inside RPI Debian Squeeze distro (or any suitable one) as a VM (Virtual Machine) but I am a NOOB, can you please help me do this? If it works how usable will Win XP be? reason I want to do this is so that I can install some support software which only runs on XP and send this to people who require help and I can then remotely login and use that software to troubleshoot remotely, I cannot afford expensive equipment like Netbooks etc. Please help! Thanks - Rashid

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:13 pm

It's unuseable for anything than demonstration purposes.
Get the cheapest second-hand PC you can find (Pentium II) and it will run faster than XP emulated on the RPi.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:14 pm

rashidkhan wrote:Hey Psergio, I want to run Windows XP inside RPI Debian Squeeze distro (or any suitable one) as a VM (Virtual Machine) but I am a NOOB, can you please help me do this? If it works how usable will Win XP be? reason I want to do this is so that I can install some support software which only runs on XP and send this to people who require help and I can then remotely login and use that software to troubleshoot remotely, I cannot afford expensive equipment like Netbooks etc. Please help! Thanks - Rashid
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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:14 pm

Note: This thread is mostly tongue-in-cheek.

But as long as you don't mind it taking 5 hours or so to boot Windows, I suppose you could do it.
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

(One of the best lines I've seen on this board lately)

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:07 pm

Wow 5 hours is too slow of course! but would it still be 5 hours if I was only using 1 VM (Win XP) and not OS X and using a 45Mbps ultraspeed 32GB SD card & a SSD with USB connection as the hard disk?

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:07 pm

You'd be better of selling the SSD and the SD card and buying a cheap desktop.

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:45 pm

Bugger! hmm well how about running ubuntu? is that possible?

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:53 pm

Nope.
Ubuntu chose to only support newer arm architectures. This is because they would have to recompile all their packages and host them just to support the RPi.

That said, Ubuntu is based on debian and debian is the commonly used distro on the RPi.
The stock Raspbian image is comparable to the Lubuntu distro (lightweight ubuntu).
It uses the same LXDE desktop and offers similar functionality and comparable tools (apt-get etc.).

In general you'll be running more lightweight software.
Abiword instead of Openoffice
Midori instead of Firefox
Lightweight text editor instead of full blown IDE

I hope this gives you an idea of what to expect from the RPi

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Re: Windows & OS X on Raspberry Pi

Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:33 am

Nr90 wrote:You'd be better of selling the SSD and the SD card and buying a cheap desktop.
True!

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