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What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:48 pm

A covid vaccine, or the Pi zero again on shelf?

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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:05 pm

The RPI Zero, because its available NOW!

see for example https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/index.p ... ckout/cart

and I don't expect any covid vaccine to be available before the end of 2020.

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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:55 pm

FTFY (your link is for the shopping cart)

Also in stock at Pimoroni https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero

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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:17 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:48 pm
A covid vaccine, or the Pi zero again on shelf?
Phrased broadly, I see your question as whether a vaccine is required in order for industrial and economic activity to reach greater levels of productivity than before the epidemic. If indeed the world is at war with a virus, could the main battlefield be economic? Since economic power provides the main force behind political, social and military strength, what does the future hold for those who can afford but one Raspberry Pi Zero?

It's good to hear the Zero is still available, because the social-justice aspects of democratising technology and education constitute one of the few ways for countries with little economic power to avoid suffering from the policies of powerful foreign countries governed by oppressive militaristic regimes.

For the record, it looks like the Zero is in stock at my favourite Micro Center for a price of US$ 4.99 one per customer!

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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:02 pm

Supply chains should be pretty healthy now. Still delays on some product, but I think the Zero is available fairly widely.
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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:49 pm

My favourite source of Pi's, the Pi Hut, have plenty of stock for all the Zero versions.
https://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi
Every Pi I have ordered from the Pi Hut has arrived the next day too.
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Re: What will be available first?

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:02 pm

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My favourite source of Pi's, the Pi Hut, have plenty of stock for all the Zero versions.
Eh... no they don't. No 'classic' Zero in stock. Just W and WH. And that did not happen after you posted as I have been keeping an eye on it since yesterday.

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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:33 am

mahjongg wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:05 pm
The RPI Zero, because its available NOW!

see for example https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/index.p ... ckout/cart

and I don't expect any covid vaccine to be available before the end of 2020.
It was more a joke!
But, thanks for the link.
Sadly, the NL shipping cost to Germany -even untracked- is not so cool.

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Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:36 am

rin67630 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:33 am
mahjongg wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:05 pm
The RPI Zero, because its available NOW!

see for example https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/index.p ... ckout/cart

and I don't expect any covid vaccine to be available before the end of 2020.
It was more a joke!
But, thanks for the link.
Sadly, the NL shipping cost to Germany -even untracked- is not so cool.

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https://www.berrybase.de/detail/index/s ... aspberrypi
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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:40 am

DirkS wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:55 pm
Also in stock at Pimoroni https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero
Sadly I had Pimoroni, next door in Essen Germany, but now they are only selling from England.

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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:43 pm

Perhaps a more interesting question would be...

Which will be available first, COVID-19 vaccine or a 1GB Pi3A+?

(No, I have no idea if the RPT is even contemplating a 1GB Pi3A+. It's just a logical "mid-life kicker" if it turns out to be economically feasible.)

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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:57 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:43 pm
Which will be available first, COVID-19 vaccine or a 1GB Pi3A+?
I love the Pi3A+ as it is: no frills, enough muscle, enough memory, low consumption, low price.
The ideal workhorse for always-on headless operation.
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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:46 pm

rin67630 wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:57 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:43 pm
Which will be available first, COVID-19 vaccine or a 1GB Pi3A+?
I love the Pi3A+ as it is: no frills, enough muscle, enough memory, low consumption, low price.
The ideal workhorse for 24/24/365 headless operation.
You have 24 day weeks where you live? Must make weekends few and far between.

(FYI... For an interesting take on alternate calendars, I recommend Graydon Saunder's "Commonweal" series. "A Succession of Bad Days" gets a lot of it described. He's using the French Revolutionary Calendar, complete with a 10 day week in which you work for 9 days in a row and rest on the 10th day. Good books, generally. Probably best to start with "The March North".)

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Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:35 pm

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:46 pm
You have 24 day weeks where you live? Must make weekends few and far between.
Hmm... I guess of a system is supposed to run all day everyday it doesn't really matter how many days make a week.
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:50 pm

Heater wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:35 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:46 pm
You have 24 day weeks where you live? Must make weekends few and far between.
Hmm... I guess of a system is supposed to run all day everyday it doesn't really matter how many days make a week.
Probably the interface between computer schedules and people schedules. "24/7/365" never made much sense to me...though the implication is clear enough.

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Re: What will be available first?

Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:19 pm

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Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:50 pm
Probably the interface between computer schedules and people schedules. "24/7/365" never made much sense to me...though the implication is clear enough.
+1. Especially in leap years.
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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:56 am

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:50 pm
Heater wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:35 pm
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:46 pm
You have 24 day weeks where you live? Must make weekends few and far between.
Hmm... I guess of a system is supposed to run all day everyday it doesn't really matter how many days make a week.
Probably the interface between computer schedules and people schedules. "24/7/365" never made much sense to me...though the implication is clear enough.
Yes of course we often expect our computer software to have some notion of our human calendars.

But in the context of a phrase to express 100% reliability or level of service with a casual phrase like "24/7" it makes no odds how many days are in a week.

Anyway what is "24/7/365" supposed to mean? Is that like seven days per week and 365 days per year? That is totally stupid.
"24/7/52" would make more sense. Twenty four hours per day, seven days per week, fifty two weeks of the year.

Or does it allow for a days down time every leap year? That a four nines level of service. Not very good.



Edit: Thinking that "24/7/365" thing was a bit odd, new to me anyway, and totally stupid I had to google it. Seems this chap agrees:
https://bpi.com/the-madness-of-24-7-365/



Other edit: If people can be sloppy enough to have 365 weeks in a year why is anyone complaining about 24 days in a week?
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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Windows 95 could manage to run for 24 hours straight, and 24/7 for more than a month, but needed a reboot at 24/7/48 or it would crash due to a 49 day clock roll-over issue.

I always presumed the /365 was to explicitly indicate it needed full 24 hour continuous operation for the entire year, not just some amount of 24/7 uptime.

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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:28 pm

Heater wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:56 am
W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:50 pm
Heater wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:35 pm

Hmm... I guess of a system is supposed to run all day everyday it doesn't really matter how many days make a week.
Probably the interface between computer schedules and people schedules. "24/7/365" never made much sense to me...though the implication is clear enough.
Yes of course we often expect our computer software to have some notion of our human calendars.

But in the context of a phrase to express 100% reliability or level of service with a casual phrase like "24/7" it makes no odds how many days are in a week.

Anyway what is "24/7/365" supposed to mean? Is that like seven days per week and 365 days per year? That is totally stupid.
"24/7/52" would make more sense. Twenty four hours per day, seven days per week, fifty two weeks of the year.

Or does it allow for a days down time every leap year? That a four nines level of service. Not very good.



Edit: Thinking that "24/7/365" thing was a bit odd, new to me anyway, and totally stupid I had to google it. Seems this chap agrees:
https://bpi.com/the-madness-of-24-7-365/



Other edit: If people can be sloppy enough to have 365 weeks in a year why is anyone complaining about 24 days in a week?
Since 52*7=364 that gives at least one full day of downtime per year, which would allow many more 9's to be added to the guaranteed availability ratings. Although the dog developer has been banned from the computer on account of the mouse incident, it seems Fido did not need a web search to growl that

24/7/365.256363004

would be a better phrase. I guess all that howling at the moon while looking through a telescope must have paid off somehow. At any rate, since

365.256363004/7=52.1794804291

then it might be less sloppy to say

24/7/52.1794804291

availability. Speaking of which, I now have 58 days uptime for some of the nodes in the Pi cloud

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=279176

partly from neglect, but mostly because they just work, even the Zeros. I hope the vaccines will work as reliably.

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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:30 pm

Meh, adding decimal places is not convincing be of anything.

"Open 24/7" naturally implies 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. Especially if you are old enough to still think this is a new thing and remember a time when stores closed at 5pm and did not open on Sundays at all.

So "24/7/365" makes no sense at all. Looks like 24 hours, and 7 days, and wait, what, is that another 365 days for a year. WTF?

And where would I go with "24/7/365.256363004" ?
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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:46 pm

Too far off topic, even for me.
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Re: What will be available first?

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:47 pm

Heater wrote:
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Meh, adding decimal places is not convincing be of anything.

"Open 24/7" naturally implies 24 hours per day and 7 days per week. Especially if you are old enough to still think this is a new thing and remember a time when stores closed at 5pm and did not open on Sundays at all.

So "24/7/365" makes no sense at all. Looks like 24 hours, and 7 days, and wait, what, is that another 365 days for a year. WTF?

And where would I go with "24/7/365.256363004" ?
It's either 24/7 (24 hours a day - seven days a week, forever).
24/365 (24 hours a day - for a year (and, presumably, the same next year).

Anything else is standard operator BS. That's what you get when you ask me, "how long will this take to fix?" ignoring the fact that asking will interrupt my train of thought and extend the time needed to fix something. (I got in terrible trouble at the bank when someone asked me right that right when I was deep in the bits and bytes of a broken database. They thought my answer (to stick something up where the sun don't shine (rather than the BS answer "about an hour") - in no uncertain terms) was a bit rude.)

I prefer 5 nines availabilty as it removes the time element. That's 99.999% available (which is about five minutes a year regardless of whether it's a leap year). That's workable with a highly parallel system where you can keep 3 out of four connected systems active at all times and restart the other one non-disruptively. Back in the day we never achieved anything close to 5 nines.
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Re: What will be available first?

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:58 am

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... Back in the day ...
That was why they employed engineers. It didn't stop things breaking, just reduced the down-time.

Same for the 24/7 shop. The night-shift covered the day-shift's down-time.

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