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My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:04 am

Hey, people.... I think we are in trouble here...
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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:12 am

Hope its not a joke.. as i have sent an email requesting copies :twisted:

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:19 am

Reminds me of the Men in Black movie, the firing range session with the little girl reading the Quantum Physics book.
Should you be scared with this software being on a kids Pi or worried that it is not installed?

What is the West-Midlands Police idea of "Positive Diversions"?
Is the gov the only ones allowed to use these things?
"Hacking" is now bad?

I'm not sure the UK police have a moral high ground these days about protecting kids.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:24 am

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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:31 am

the bottom left logo looked a bit suspect..

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:45 am

discord? If they're going so far as to include communications mediums they better add IRC, forums, Facebook, snapchat etc.

Every child using Facebook must be engaged into a positive diversion!
Actually, I support that idea...
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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:04 am

https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-police ... ali-linux/

"Update 17.58 GMT: WMROCU told us:

"This poster was produced to raise awareness among teachers, parents, and guardians to help them advise children how to stay safe online. The poster highlighted some of the digital tools their children might be using at home."

Good intentions - bad execution...

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:27 am

The poster bore the logos of both the National Crime Agency and West Midlands Police.
But both have now tweeted they were not involved in its production.
The West Midlands Regional Organised Crime Unit said the poster was supposed to be "a quick reference guide".
So did they get it made or not?
Not a very good reference guide.
Good intentions - bad execution...
Indeed.
Perhaps they should get the kids to make the reference guides?
I suspect they might be less clueless.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:52 am

That is a great checklist that every parent should use to ensure their kids have a proper grounding in computer literacy.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:15 pm

As long as the kids aren't doing CAKE they should be okay.

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:01 pm

They certainly don't need cake and Pi. :lol:
It sounds as though ROCU could use CAKE, though.
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:11 pm

The ROCU should make a similar one for smartphones.... if they want to pursue this matter seriously....

then the topic title will definitely become

My kid is using a Smartphone --- should I call the Police???
:D



(specially if the "kid" is a young goat) :lol:
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:01 am

Just when we think the RPi has made "hacking" fun again, things like this tries to give it a bad name.
"Hacking" is mentioned 4 times, why?

If this is "Official Information" then someone needs to educate Officials.
If this is just a "fun" leaflet then those cut and pasted logos need some work.
"Positive Diversions" does sound like gov speak jargon, perhaps pulled from somewhere "official".

Those twitter comments are so fun :D

Anyone asked the NCA what "positive diversions" are?
Kid at home on a computer or out roaming the streets?
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:52 am

I'm sure it is all fake.

Keep Calm.

Keep hacking.

Don't forget Alan Turing. Hacker #1.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:35 am

Heater wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:52 am
That is a great checklist that every parent should use to ensure their kids have a proper grounding in computer literacy.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or legitimately believe what you wrote but I strongly disagree.
Look over each point on the he klist and tell me with a straight face you didn't face-palm at the "reason"

For example "Kali Linux is an operating system often used for hacking"....... So is Windows, Debian Linux, Gentoo, Arch Linux, Android, or even (gasp) Raspbian or whatever OS you can think of.
It's not the operating system that's a worry, it's the tools and how they're being used.

Or how about virtual machines hiding operating systems like Kali Linux (again singling out Kali Linux?)
virtualisation has a lot more uses than just spoofing your operating system.

Where are the real dangers? like p2p networking tools that are used to spread viruses, Trojans, stolen movies and games?
Where's the warning about how easily children can access restricted websites with less than desirable content?

The poster is just a farce much like this comic panel.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:49 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:01 am
Just when we think the RPi has made "hacking" fun again, things like this tries to give it a bad name.
"Hacking" is mentioned 4 times, why?
Because the media and others have made "cracking" and "hacking" synonymous. Anyone "hacking" is therefore automatically deemed to be up to no good.

It's probably no good fighting it or trying to educate because the association that hacking is bad has been firmly implanted in everyone's minds. Hackers aren't the only ones who have been demonised in such a way. Others have had it far worse.

"Maker" is probably the best appellation these days for those who used to be hackers.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:01 am
Anyone asked the NCA what "positive diversions" are?
Activities which have a positive benefit for the participant and/or society rather than negative outcomes.

That of course is entirely subjective as it always has been, varies over times.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:01 am
Kid at home on a computer or out roaming the streets?
You fall into the same trap they have, suggesting "Kid at home on a computer" is good, "out roaming the streets" is bad. In fact both depend on what they are actually doing while engaged in either activity.

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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:33 pm

Imperf3kt wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:35 am
Heater wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:52 am
That is a great checklist that every parent should use to ensure their kids have a proper grounding in computer literacy.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or legitimately believe what you wrote but I strongly disagree.
That is very confusing. Either you take what I said as sarcasm, that I do not believe what I said literally. Or you take it at face value, that I do believe what I said literally. But either way you want to strongly disagree! How can we know what you are disagreeing with?

For the record, I did not mean it sarcastically. Turns out I was echoing the thoughts Prof Alan Woodward, from Surrey University when he said "If I found a 15-year-old with all that on their machine, I would invite them to come and study with us." See link above.
Imperf3kt wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:35 am
Look over each point on the he klist and tell me with a straight face you didn't face-palm at the "reason"
Quite so. As others have pointed out it's a list of software tools. Like all tools they can be used constructively or destructively.

The horror of the thing, if it is even genuine, is the idea that ignorant parents will be calling the police after they find their teenager is using VirtuaBox or whatever. That is just nuts.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:35 am
Where are the real dangers? like p2p networking tools that are used to spread viruses, Trojans, stolen movies and games?
Please clarify. Are you saying that peer to peer communication over the net is somehow evil and worthy of the parents calling the cops?

Perhaps Google, Microsoft, Mozilla and others working on WebRTC standards would like to know about this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... ith_WebRTC
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:52 pm

Heater wrote: Quite so. As others have pointed out it's a list of software tools. Like all tools they can be used constructively or destructively.
a carpenter's hammer, a kitchen knife, simple ballpoint pen, are examples of everyday tools that we use, mostly for constructive purposes
but... depending on the intent of the user, these were also used for destructive purposes (extinguish life of another) :(

even an un-powered RPi board can be a (projectile) weapon.... :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:
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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:27 am

Yes, but you don't see official statements with messages like "If you see a hammer on your kid's table, call us (the police) so we can keep him away from killing someone with it". A better way would be something like "Remember to teach your kids the safety procedures they should observe when handling such tools. If you want more information and tips on how to keep them on the bright side while developing their technological skills, call us at 0800-GOOD-HACKERS." Education instead of fear.

This, of course, assuming the poster is real.

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Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:57 am

Tzarls wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:27 am
This, of course, assuming the poster is real.
From the horse's mouth, West Midland's Police ...

https://twitter.com/WMPolice/status/1228017352937234433

"The poster - produced by a third party - was created as an aide memoire to assist teachers with safeguarding in schools. It was taken from wider information on cyber tools which could be used to commit cyber attacks, but equally have a legitimate purpose".

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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:31 pm

Heater wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:52 am
I'm sure it is all fake.

Keep Calm.

Keep hacking.

Don't forget Alan Turing. Hacker #1.
Shouldn’t that be Hacker #0?

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Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:13 pm

echmain wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:31 pm
Heater wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:52 am
I'm sure it is all fake.

Keep Calm.

Keep hacking.

Don't forget Alan Turing. Hacker #1.
Shouldn’t that be Hacker #0?
No. That would be Ada Lovelace.
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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:47 pm

If you found lockpicks and bolt cutters in your kids bedroom would you be concerned?

Tools can be used for both constructive and destructive purposes but some tools edge more towards one side of that line than the other.

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Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:04 pm

plugwash wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:47 pm
If you found lockpicks and bolt cutters in your kids bedroom would you be concerned?

Tools can be used for both constructive and destructive purposes but some tools edge more towards one side of that line than the other.
What, you did not have bolt cutters in the house when you were a teenager? I did. And all manner of other interesting tools. Admittedly no lock picks.

The answer to that question depends on context. What kind of kid do you have there? Do you know what kind of thing they might do with such tools? Were they hidden? And so on.
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Re: My kid is using a Raspberry Pi - should I call the police???

Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:07 pm

hippy wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:57 am
Tzarls wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:27 am
This, of course, assuming the poster is real.
From the horse's mouth, West Midland's Police ...

https://twitter.com/WMPolice/status/1228017352937234433

"The poster - produced by a third party - was created as an aide memoire to assist teachers with safeguarding in schools. It was taken from wider information on cyber tools which could be used to commit cyber attacks, but equally have a legitimate purpose".
That statement does not make me feel any better about it. Sure it was made by a third party, the police don't make their own riot shields either.

It's got their name, logo and contact on it so they should be doing the best to get it out of schools and such. Unless it says what they actually mean to say.

The whole idea of teachers reporting their pupils to the police for such things is grotesque.
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