The "decent support" is really the issue. And it's one no other SBC manufacturer seems to have come within shouting distance of achieving. Indeed, there is (or was, it may have been deleted by now) a post from someone who appears to be trying to leverage system development off the Pi ecosystem...and I suspect he isn't planning to pay, either.
gammy13 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:27 pmProblem is the Pi is so darned cheap, well documented, and really available. Yeah, there are most certainly better options out there... but I can buy a Pi Zero for under $10.
It’s kind of like the problem Arduino is running into. Why spend $40 for a high end official Arduino when you can buy a cheap Nano on amazon for under $5. For most users this is all they need for their weekend tinkering or Halloween project.
The ‘regular’ hobbyists I know who use a Pi are looking for fun weekend projects. Retro Pi, maybe a music system, maybe a media media center. They’re looking at the price point and how well documented some software is.
CHIP, the “$7” Pi alternative which received well over a million dollars on Kickstarter a couple of years ago shut down their business in late 2018. They couldn’t break into the market and beat Pi. Beagle Board is a great system, but trying to figure it out as a “noob” is annoying compared to the ease of using a Pi.
There’s a market for a Pi alternative, but the Pi has cemented itself as the leader for a lot of good reasons and I doubt we’ll see that change any time soon
I don't think anyone can. A few large players have tried - Via's APC, ASUS's Tinker Board - but they're all also-rans. See also Intel's attempts at the embedded market - if you can find 'em anywhere.
I don't get this statement. The BeagleBone stuff is down on raw horsepower and the core chip is more oriented to embedded control applications which limits its market, but the quick start guide/procedure might be the best I've seen in 40 years of messing around with computers.
Not exactly. We're a private limited company with share capital, just like any other registered company in the UK. The Foundation has a 100% share in the company and all non-retained profit is donated to the Foundation (£25m and counting). Our primary revenue is from licencing the Pi design to exclusive partners that manufacture and distribute the Pi 4/ 3/ 2/ 1, with revenues from Zero and Zero W sales coming directly from our own purchase of raw material, payment for manufacturing costs and sale to resellers. Our operating profit margin is typical of other IP licencing companies, but we do have a growing in-house product line as evidenced by the Pi Zero and starter kit/mouse/keyboard products.scruss wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:53 pm
With the unique Foundation/Trading split, Raspberry Pi is in a very sustainable position. Fully commercial vendors have to maintain a certain profit margin, and do so through marketing, defined product life and product retirement. The Raspberry Pi companies don't work that way, so they're very hard to compete with.
Even at the time I couldn't understand the business model by which NextThing CHIP ever figured to turn a profit, but I don't think they were fraudulent. I still have one running (an old version) of Volumio as a music player and a couple more that I pull out for battery portable tasks from time to time.
Marketing value of the relationship itself is a significant advantage.We have no significant competitive advantage through our relationship with the Foundation. We're competitive because people buy our products.
Having a non-profit 100% owner has certain advantages. Look at Oxford University Press: they're a non-profit, but they make a lot of money from book sales, and yet can plough back that profit into research without having to pay dividends. That structure isn't available to everyone, and it was a very sore point when I worked for Collins Dictionaries that Oxford could claim that their work was academic research while ours was purely commercial and taxed accordingly. (Sure, being part of News International ain't the greatest, though. Perhaps a better analogy is the grumblings I hear from people close to the defunct Maker Media who claimed they couldn't compete with the Raspberry Pi Foundation's publications.)
Others have commented on this point, and some of it is close to what I think, but not *quite* there.
He's also a clever guy. Not many have both.
I think that would be very hard if not impossible to quantify. Anecdotal observation from a few Jams I’ve been to is that the enthusiasm harks back to the old BBC computer days and the computer clubs that ran locally.
It may not help but Pimoroni are having a sale on their own brand kits this weekend - maybe the savings would offset the postage for you?alphanumeric wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:28 amI have a couple of Micro Bits. I've had some fun with them. The plan is / was to pass them on to one or more of my grand kids. I should get back at that. I need to do something up with lots of blinky lights or a servo or two to spark and interest and get them away from their iPads.
I have all the bits I need, I just have to go find my round 2it.Andyroo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:36 amIt may not help but Pimoroni are having a sale on their own brand kits this weekend - maybe the savings would offset the postage for you?alphanumeric wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:28 amI have a couple of Micro Bits. I've had some fun with them. The plan is / was to pass them on to one or more of my grand kids. I should get back at that. I need to do something up with lots of blinky lights or a servo or two to spark and interest and get them away from their iPads.
From that second link, "In 2019 a total of 89,542 students took either the ICT or the computing GCSE", and with 580,850 students sitting GCSE exams, that indicates just 15% undertook the computing or ICT course. That sounds slightly better expressed as "3 in every 20".Andyroo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:06 amThere are two interesting posts that came out of yesterday’s GCSE results:
Does it?That sounds slightly better expressed as "3 in every 20".