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Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:46 am

1G=$35 2G=$45 4G=$55
why 2G is not $42? so most people go to 4G.
if $42 i will go to 2G.

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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:53 am

Are you honestly complaining about $3?

Where did you pull $42 from? Why do you think the Pi4b2 should cost $42USD

Wish I could buy a 2GB Pi4b for $45, where I live, the official resellers charge $66-$67 and the 4GB model is $96-$97, about 11% of my wage.

(before postal costs)
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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:55 am

I dunno... $10 to double your RAM (1GB = $35 + $10 = 2GB + $10 = 4GB)?

$10 seems like a nice simple number.

It's possible that the 2GB chips are more expensive per unit of capacity than the 4GB.

Probably could think of a few more reasons if I wanted to.
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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:22 am

ok, lets count
4G-$10=3G-$10=2G-$10=1G=$25
1G+$7=2G+$7=3G+$7=4G=$55
4G-1G==$20==$7/G

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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:30 am

Also, the Pi target prices have always been multiples of $5.

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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:33 am

rpdom wrote:
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Also, the Pi target prices have always been multiples of $5.
nice, 2G=$40.

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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:57 am

cjan wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:22 am
ok, lets count...
But that assumes the price of RAM is a linear scale, and that's rarely true. Price per MB often goes down for larger modules (up to a point).
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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:32 am

cjan wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:46 am
1G=$35 2G=$45 4G=$55
why 2G is not $42? so most people go to 4G.
if $42 i will go to 2G.
The price is the price, if you don't like it, dont buy it!

We need to make a profit, and given how cheap the pi range actually is for what you get, it seems a little mean to be complaining about a few dollars here and there.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:00 am

We need to make a profit, and given how cheap the pi range actually is for what you get, it seems a little mean to be complaining about a few dollars here and there.
The 4B1 has the $35 target pricing ;)
The rest is for those power users and whingers who want more than 1GB, they pay the premium prices.

If everyone votes with their wallets, how soon before we know which one out sells the others?
With the 4B4 at nearly $100 AUD it is an expensive Pi.
But as I will be using my first one as a dual screen desktop replacement, it is a very cheap PC.

I think also the prices for the 4B2 and 4B4 are lower or close too those clone SBC's?
Market pricing?
Has the price of DDR4 fallen, not long ago Eben was saying DRAM prices were high.
Is the 4B1 currently a loss leader at $35?
Cannot be making that much profit on it with all those features.
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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:05 pm

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:00 am
We need to make a profit, and given how cheap the pi range actually is for what you get, it seems a little mean to be complaining about a few dollars here and there.
The 4B1 has the $35 target pricing ;)
The rest is for those power users and whingers who want more than 1GB, they pay the premium prices.

If everyone votes with their wallets, how soon before we know which one out sells the others?
With the 4B4 at nearly $100 AUD it is an expensive Pi.
But as I will be using my first one as a dual screen desktop replacement, it is a very cheap PC.

I think also the prices for the 4B2 and 4B4 are lower or close too those clone SBC's?
Market pricing?
Has the price of DDR4 fallen, not long ago Eben was saying DRAM prices were high.
Is the 4B1 currently a loss leader at $35?
Cannot be making that much profit on it with all those features.
It's not a loss leader. We make money on all models.
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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:41 pm

I was one of those people that wanted more ram, & said that I'd be happy to pay £50 for it - so it's costing £54 - mine's ordered & on it's way to me now. :)

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:10 pm

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I was one of those people that wanted more ram, & said that I'd be happy to pay £50 for it - so it's costing £54 - mine's ordered & on it's way to me now. :)
my thoughts exactly...

and im looking forward to running a pi with a display for a change.. im looking to use it as a toybench dual display solution so i can reference a pdf or other resource on one screen while following a how-to utube on the 2nd)

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Re: Pi4 price

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:29 pm

Gavinmc42 wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:00 am
We need to make a profit, and given how cheap the pi range actually is for what you get, it seems a little mean to be complaining about a few dollars here and there.
The 4B1 has the $35 target pricing ;)
The rest is for those power users and whingers who want more than 1GB, they pay the premium prices.
This...put up or shut up time. Me? I have no problem with the pricing. It even goes along with some of my long-standing predictions about the Pi4. Basically, to hit the $35 price point, 1G. SoC can handle more, and the RPT has gifted us with more if one is willing to spend a rather modest amount to get it. And, if I've read the relevant comment correctly (that the MMU has 35 address lines), in theory (subject to parts existing that fit the board and finding enough people willing to pay to get it), that means that the SoC can support 32GB RAM. No, I'm not expecting that in the foreseeable future, but just the thought is interesting...

In the mean time, I'm waiting for the threads complaining that 4GB JUST ISN'T ENOUGH and claiming the there needs to be a Pi4B+ or Pi5B with AT LEAST 8GB or 16GB. And, eventually, complaints asking why the SoC is limited to ONLY 32GB.
If everyone votes with their wallets, how soon before we know which one out sells the others?
With the 4B4 at nearly $100 AUD it is an expensive Pi.
But as I will be using my first one as a dual screen desktop replacement, it is a very cheap PC.
What has been said is that 60% of the initial orders are for the Pi4B2, as that is expected to be the "dominanant" version. I don't think the early sales are likely to be representative of the longer term sales trends, though. So the immediate sell-out of the 4GB version shouldn't be a surprise. At this point--and until the supply pipeline fills up--I suspect that people will grab any Pi4 they can get their hands on and worry about memory size for specific tasks...later.
I think also the prices for the 4B2 and 4B4 are lower or close too those clone SBC's?
Market pricing?
Can't prove it, but I'd bet that Dr. Upton is well ware of feature set and price of other SBCs, but actual pricing is almost certainly determined by production costs.
Has the price of DDR4 fallen, not long ago Eben was saying DRAM prices were high.
Is the 4B1 currently a loss leader at $35?
Dramatically. And flash memory even more so. I got an ad this morning from Newegg offering a 1TB Intel 660p M.2 drive for $88.
Cannot be making that much profit on it with all those features.
There is obviously enough profit to keep the resellers happy.

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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:22 am

What's the RPT's policy regarding official resellers prices.

Since launch, I've noticed the Pi4b has changed price from my local official resellers.

The 1GB version has increased by $4
The 2GB version has increased by $11
The 4GB version has dropped by $2

I understand that, being retailed at USD, the price will vary with the currency, however, since launch, the value of the Australian dollar has actually strengthened, so one would expect, if anything, a price decrease.

What sort of control does RPT enact upon official resellers to stick to the RRP, or is there none?
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:38 am

Pretty sure RPF cannot control currency exchange rates ;)
Time when ordered and shipping time = crazy AUD prices.
Very hard to predict these thing, we just have to live with the price of living so far from the rest of the World.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:14 am

If the exchange rate were the only influence, the Australian dollar would have had to drop by 24.4c to account for an $11 increase, but it didn't. It rose by 1 cent.
It looks more like they are putting their own price on the Pi, not equal to $35USD - something I'd expect of a 3rd party retailer, but not of an official reseller.
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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:06 am

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If the exchange rate were the only influence, the Australian dollar would have had to drop by 24.4c to account for an $11 increase, but it didn't. It rose by 1 cent.
It looks more like they are putting their own price on the Pi, not equal to $35USD - something I'd expect of a 3rd party retailer, but not of an official reseller.
As I understand it (and I may well be wrong), the licensed manufacturers, RS and Farnell, are under contract to adhere to the prices set by the RPF/RPT. That does not bind anyone who buys Pi from either of them to resell. So...is your local vendor a branch of either RS or Farnell, or are they independent of those two companies?

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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:49 am

Imperf3kt wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:22 am
What sort of control does RPT enact upon official resellers to stick to the RRP, or is there none?
RPT and RPF presumably comply with UK and EU legislation which makes 'price fixing' illegal and in most circumstances precludes manufacturers dictating fixed, minimum or maximum prices.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:05 pm

I do not understand what the issue is.

Where else can you get CPU, Mother board with PCIe plus USB 3.0 plus Gigabit Ethernet, 4GB DDR4 RAM, A decent mid-range Graphics Accellerator, and having expansion ports for less than $55 brand new.

This is a lot cheaper than updating just about any other desktop computer. Just a good motherboard and CPU that would match the A72 of the RPi 4B would cost you nearly $90.

So paying $65 (4GB version) plus shipping is not a big issue. That is only needed because you also have to upgrade your power supply.

And even the other off prices in this thread are mostly pretty good prices. Ok it would be another $10 if you had to keep HDMI, though switching to Composite for a while is not going to hurt anyone.
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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:18 pm

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I do not understand what the issue is.

Where else can you get CPU, Mother board with PCIe plus USB 3.0 plus Gigabit Ethernet, 4GB DDR4 RAM, A decent mid-range Graphics Accellerator, and having expansion ports for less than $55 brand new.

This is a lot cheaper than updating just about any other desktop computer. Just a good motherboard and CPU that would match the A72 of the RPi 4B would cost you nearly $90.

So paying $65 (4GB version) plus shipping is not a big issue. That is only needed because you also have to upgrade your power supply.

And even the other off prices in this thread are mostly pretty good prices. Ok it would be another $10 if you had to keep HDMI, though switching to Composite for a while is not going to hurt anyone.
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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:20 pm

How much does it cost to add:

1) GPIO pins
2) A serial port
3) PWM output
4) I2C interface
5) SPI interface

To the cheapest "PC class" machine available?

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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:41 pm

DavidS wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:05 pm
I do not understand what the issue is.

Where else can you get CPU, Mother board with PCIe plus USB 3.0 plus Gigabit Ethernet, 4GB DDR4 RAM, A decent mid-range Graphics Accellerator, and having expansion ports for less than $55 brand new.

This is a lot cheaper than updating just about any other desktop computer. Just a good motherboard and CPU that would match the A72 of the RPi 4B would cost you nearly $90.

So paying $65 (4GB version) plus shipping is not a big issue. That is only needed because you also have to upgrade your power supply.

And even the other off prices in this thread are mostly pretty good prices. Ok it would be another $10 if you had to keep HDMI, though switching to Composite for a while is not going to hurt anyone.
Much as I agree with you, there are some other factors to account for. First, there are exchange rates. When I was in Australia for a couple of weeks about 35 years ago, the AUD was worth about $0.80US, which was great for me. Then there are any import duties, which--by all accounts--are pretty steep on incoming electronics, so you have to add that. Third is the local cost of living and the income that goes with that. I'm in the US and retired. Even so--living on Social Security, a couple of tiny pensions from companies I worked for those were still standard, and some income from property--I'm pretty low income...by US standards. There are many places, some of which would qualify as "first world", where my income would be quite respectable.

Consider, for example, the case of Brazil. Extremely high import duties coupled with very low income for most people. The problem is so bad that the RPF arranged to have Pis made in that country. Perhaps our Aussie companions should agitate for something similar.

So just quoting the official prices is less than half the story.

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Re: Pi4 price

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:51 pm

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How much does it cost to add:

1) GPIO pins
2) A serial port
3) PWM output
4) I2C interface
5) SPI interface

To the cheapest "PC class" machine available?
About $35, plus PSU, SD card etc. ;-)

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About $35, plus PSU, SD card etc. ;-)
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