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Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm

Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:19 pm

That would be down to Microsoft I suspect. We don't support Windows at all.

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:53 pm

Two chances - slim and fat.

(Ever wonder why the response "Fat chance!" means what it does.)

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:23 pm

thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm
Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?

Windows 10 ARM Desktop Editions are designed for running on specific ARM SoCs.

Mainly at this time Qualcomm who also provided SoCs for Windows 10 Phones.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pcwo ... r.amp.html



Regards UEFI, I believe you are relating to Windows 10 IoT Core, which bears little resemblence to Windows 10 any variant:

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot
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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm

thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm
Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?
Very unlikely! Where did you see that?

UEFI is the way Microsoft attempts to make sure only windows will run on a PC, (my interpretation) by describing a BIOS (UEFI) that checks what software runs under it. A PI doesn't have a BIOS, so installing another BIOS is impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_E ... #Criticism

the linux community has adapted UEFI, so that linux can be used on an UEFI based system, and indeed they have ported their efforts to the PI 3, but NOT to enable a full version of Windows 10 on it, see: http://www.workofard.com/2017/02/uefi-on-the-pi/

If they want to bring up windows 10 on a PI3 it will be as a "hack", not as an official Microsoft effort.
We will see what this leads to.... :mrgreen:

Note that an ARM based "windows 10" system will still be unable to run normal (x86) windows applications, except under emulation (i.e. very-very slow).

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:20 pm

mahjongg wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm
thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm
Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?
Very unlikely! Where did you see that?

UEFI is the way Microsoft wants to make sure only windows will run on a piece of hardware (my interpretation) by describing a BIOS (UEFI) that checks what software runs under it. A PI doesn't have a BIOS, so installing another BIOS is impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_E ... #Criticism

https://github.com/ms-iot/RPi-UEFI/blob ... /README.md
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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:55 pm

mahjongg wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm
thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm
Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?
Very unlikely! Where did you see that?

UEFI is the way Microsoft attempts to make sure only windows will run on a PC, (my interpretation) by describing a BIOS (UEFI) that checks what software runs under it. A PI doesn't have a BIOS, so installing another BIOS is impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_E ... #Criticism

the linux community has adapted UEFI, so that linux can be used on an UEFI based system, and indeed they have ported their efforts to the PI 3, but NOT to enable a full version of Windows 10 on it, see: http://www.workofard.com/2017/02/uefi-on-the-pi/

If they want to bring up windows 10 on a PI3 it will be as a "hack", not as an official Microsoft effort.
We will see what this leads to.... :mrgreen:

Note that an ARM based "windows 10" system will still be unable to run normal (x86) windows applications, except under emulation (i.e. very-very slow).
https://github.com/andreiw/RaspberryPiPkg
the link to 64 bit uefi.Building was successful But I cannot find the link to ARM64 Win10

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:17 am

drgeoff wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:53 pm
Two chances - slim and fat.
And Slim just left town.

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:15 am

thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:55 pm
mahjongg wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm
thchink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:54 pm
Hi!
Recently I saw the 64-bit uefi for the pi 3 came out.Thus, will we be able to run windows 10 arm64?
Very unlikely! Where did you see that?

UEFI is the way Microsoft attempts to make sure only windows will run on a PC, (my interpretation) by describing a BIOS (UEFI) that checks what software runs under it. A PI doesn't have a BIOS, so installing another BIOS is impossible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_E ... #Criticism

the linux community has adapted UEFI, so that linux can be used on an UEFI based system, and indeed they have ported their efforts to the PI 3, but NOT to enable a full version of Windows 10 on it, see: http://www.workofard.com/2017/02/uefi-on-the-pi/

If they want to bring up windows 10 on a PI3 it will be as a "hack", not as an official Microsoft effort.
We will see what this leads to.... :mrgreen:

Note that an ARM based "windows 10" system will still be unable to run normal (x86) windows applications, except under emulation (i.e. very-very slow).
https://github.com/andreiw/RaspberryPiPkg
the link to 64 bit uefi.Building was successful But I cannot find the link to ARM64 Win10

The guides you point to clearly are W10 IoT Core and similar to the link I posted.

This has nothing to do with Windows 10 Phone or Windows 10 ARM Desktop......


Even if you could get W10 ARM to boot what will you do regards Graphics Stack, Sound etal.

You need a Qualcomm SoC period..
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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:57 am

update.
Links found and I used Dism to image it manually.While trying to boot it gives me an error and the code is 0xc0000225 with the info"An unexpected error has occurred"
So what does the error code mean?

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:55 am

jamesh wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:19 pm
That would be down to Microsoft I suspect. We don't support Windows at all.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/librar ... s.85).aspx
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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:40 am

On reflection, it occurs to me that the OP might be able to Windows 3.1 at a reasonable speed--comparable to the typical machine it originally ran on.

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:18 am

W. H. Heydt wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:40 am
On reflection, it occurs to me that the OP might be able to Windows 3.1 at a reasonable speed--comparable to the typical machine it originally ran on.

Yes Windows for Workgroup 3.11 and Windows 95A should function in DosBox, but far removed from the Windows NT family of OSes....
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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:32 am

thchink wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:20 am
https://twitter.com/NTAuthority/status/ ... twterm%5E1
Well,he managed to do this
So why not send Bas an email and ask how he did it?

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Re: Any chances to run full windows?

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm

thchink wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:20 am
https://twitter.com/NTAuthority/status/ ... twterm%5E1
Well,he managed to do this
But in his own words "slow as hell....".


But yes, any Turing complete computer can emulate any other Turing complete machine (given enough code space is available).
Doesn't say anything about performance though, so says nothing about practicality.

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