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switching from ubuntu to debian

Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:15 am

i have been planning to make a switch from ubuntu to debian, most of the things i do on my computer are related to building AOSP and playing some steam games, i would like my system to be a bit more stable, ist it worth the switch? Pros? Cons?
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:05 pm

Do you mean on your Pi or on your PC.

Either way Debian has been solid for me for many years and over many updates/upgrades on PC's. Mind you on PC's I always use the KDE Plasma desktop rather than the ugly default desktop.

On the Pi it has to be Raspbian of course.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:44 pm

Heater wrote:Do you mean on your Pi or on your PC.

Either way Debian has been solid for me for many years and over many updates/upgrades on PC's. Mind you on PC's I always use the KDE Plasma desktop rather than the ugly default desktop.

On the Pi it has to be Raspbian of course.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:12 pm

I've been using Debian for a number of years and the one time I ever had trouble was when an upgrade broke a configuration file. I tried Ubuntu and hated it. It's big advantage is that just about any idiot can install it on a Windows box.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:50 am

So i did actually ended up giving Debian 8 a shot ... and i kinda have mixed feelings about it,
i have had it for well over a day and here is my critic..
Pros:
1) very minimal and bloat free hence it is very very responsive.
2) Stable packages... and that brings us to the
Cons:
1) some packages are too stable for my liking and are seriously outdated for example xbmc is still xbmc and not kodi
2) graphics stack/driver poorly implemented:
I don't use any fancy graphics card, just your every day intel hd 2000 but that isnt an excuse for
a) screen tearing like hell on your every day h.264 hd 1080p videos
b) frame rates rapidly fluctuating from anywhere between 9-40fps on games like team fortress 2 (i was just standing at a place not moving at all and nothing else was moving as well)
3) Installation was terrible, i couldn't even select a dive partition ?!!! I had to delete the partition to create un-allocated space and only then does it have an option of multiple partitions on a drive else it would just format the whole drive !!!

if it just had better graphic driver support i wouldn't had minded the installation or kinda outdated software but media consumption in a big part of my daily routine (i don't own a TV connection by choice and netfix ain't available in India)... I might be switching back soon!
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:43 am

If you liked Ubuntu and want a change what about Linux Mint Debian Edition ?

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:16 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:If you liked Ubuntu and want a change what about Linux Mint Debian Edition ?

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
Its just Debian with a different skin.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:23 am

Hello Ric,

regarding graphics drivers enable the contrib and non-free repositories, there's loads of graphics drivers available. There also might be drivers from the chip manufacturer.
Regarding Kodi, have a look at the Kodi installation pages. There's a package available for Debian 8. I had to make a sidetrip for a working package for Debian 7 because of some silly dependencies.
Installing ffmpeg might resolve your decoding problems.

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:41 am

ric96 wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:If you liked Ubuntu and want a change what about Linux Mint Debian Edition ?

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
Its just Debian with a different skin.
But it's better. It makes it easier and has more and updated packages. Your graphics problems and everything will be resolved. It's not just Debian with an updated skin, it's made to be like Linux Mint (their insanely popular Ubuntu-based distro) which translates into hundreds of improvements, but with Debian as the core.

You could even check out the most famous Linux distribution, Linux Mint. Now they are only taking Ubuntu LTS releases for major upgrade and then they make them stable, add features and backport some packages with
every point release. I use it and it has never crashed in my entire lifetime.

Debian is great and it too has never failed me, but I guess Debian is a little rusty. Strangely, the Raspbian distribution doesn't feel rusty. I guess it's because of the interface, the apps, and well, it's designed for the underlying hardware.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:23 pm

ric96 wrote:So i did actually ended up giving Debian 8 a shot ... and i kinda have mixed feelings about it,
i have had it for well over a day and here is my critic..
Pros:
1) very minimal and bloat free hence it is very very responsive.
2) Stable packages... and that brings us to the
Cons:
1) some packages are too stable for my liking and are seriously outdated for example xbmc is still xbmc and not kodi
2) graphics stack/driver poorly implemented:
I don't use any fancy graphics card, just your every day intel hd 2000 but that isnt an excuse for
a) screen tearing like hell on your every day h.264 hd 1080p videos
b) frame rates rapidly fluctuating from anywhere between 9-40fps on games like team fortress 2 (i was just standing at a place not moving at all and nothing else was moving as well)
3) Installation was terrible, i couldn't even select a dive partition ?!!! I had to delete the partition to create un-allocated space and only then does it have an option of multiple partitions on a drive else it would just format the whole drive !!!

if it just had better graphic driver support i wouldn't had minded the installation or kinda outdated software but media consumption in a big part of my daily routine (i don't own a TV connection by choice and netfix ain't available in India)... I might be switching back soon!

I assume you are using xserver-xorg-video-intel? Then get the newer version from backports because it is really much better! For example, it forces SNA over UXA

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:47 pm

also, testing has gnome 3.16 which I believe now runs on Wayland.

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:18 pm

tpylkko wrote:also, testing has gnome 3.16 which I believe now runs on Wayland.
Does it? That would be great!
Edit: Oh no, it doesn't.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:17 pm

The Linux Mint KDE people didn't seem to care about all the problems I was having. Anyone who dares complain is simply banned from their board. The Kubuntu guys didn't seem to care either, complaining is considered counter-productive. So I cut them both out of the loop with Debian 8.1 running KDE4. All my problem are now solved.

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:55 pm

ibrahimansari wrote:
tpylkko wrote:also, testing has gnome 3.16 which I believe now runs on Wayland.
Does it? That would be great!
Edit: Oh no, it doesn't.

Yeah, I was under that impression since
https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland wrote:Gnome 3.16 - Complete port of GNOME to Wayland

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:21 am

Heck, I just switched my Pi2 to Debian too. Bye bye Raspbian. :D

https://images.collabora.co.uk/rpi2/jes ... 705.img.gz

Also got the ARMHF DVD which I plan to use as a repository off a flash drive.

http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/releas ... -DVD-1.iso

So if I install plasma-desktop I should have the next best thing to Kubuntu Pi... no waiting on egomaniacs required. :lol:

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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:12 am

InsideJob wrote:Heck, I just switched my Pi2 to Debian too. Bye bye Raspbian. :D

https://images.collabora.co.uk/rpi2/jes ... 705.img.gz

Also got the ARMHF DVD which I plan to use as a repository off a flash drive.

http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/releas ... -DVD-1.iso

So if I install plasma-desktop I should have the next best thing to Kubuntu Pi... no waiting on egomaniacs required. :lol:
KDE will run very slow... Good luck with that.
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Re: switching from ubuntu to debian

Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:52 pm

ric96 wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote:If you liked Ubuntu and want a change what about Linux Mint Debian Edition ?

http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
Its just Debian with a different skin.
Last time I used Mint they had their own version of Firefox that returned unwanted results whenever I googled stuff. I guess they get paid for redirecting traffic.

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