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Windows10

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:21 pm

Hi,

This is my first time using raspberry pi and I had a question about what OS I could use. I am working with a raspberry pi 3 B device. I know that one of the operating systems that is available for the raspberry pi is Windows10 IoT. However, I was wondering if there was anyway that Windows10 Professional could be used as the OS for a raspberry pi. Thank you.

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Re: Windows10

Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:25 pm

No that Will be impossible.

There are third party attempts to port Windows 10 for ARM, but the expectation is that it will perform very poorly, if at all.

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Re: Windows10

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:20 pm

scpinto wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:21 pm
I was wondering if there was anyway that Windows10 Professional could be used as the OS for a raspberry pi.
The "impossible" is being worked on and looking promising. Windows 10 Desktop can be booted on a Raspberry Pi and Windows applications can be run, including I believe X86 code via transparent emulation, but it is still early days yet -

viewtopic.php?t=214783

That effort has no support from the Raspberry Pi Foundation that I know of.

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Re: Windows10

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:31 pm

Do you know at this stage what you want to do on your Pi?

In general you will get the best user experience and the best support by far, using the "official" OS which is Raspbian.
Get it free here:
https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
It is fast and reliable.

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Re: Windows10

Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:36 pm

hippy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:20 pm
scpinto wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:21 pm
I was wondering if there was anyway that Windows10 Professional could be used as the OS for a raspberry pi.
The "impossible" is being worked on and looking promising. Windows 10 Desktop can be booted on a Raspberry Pi and Windows applications can be run, including I believe X86 code via transparent emulation, but it is still early days yet -

viewtopic.php?t=214783

That effort has no support from the Raspberry Pi Foundation that I know of.
I wonder if the relevant licenses have been paid...
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Re: Windows10

Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:54 am

Imperf3kt wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:36 pm
hippy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:20 pm
scpinto wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:21 pm
I was wondering if there was anyway that Windows10 Professional could be used as the OS for a raspberry pi.
The "impossible" is being worked on and looking promising. Windows 10 Desktop can be booted on a Raspberry Pi and Windows applications can be run, including I believe X86 code via transparent emulation, but it is still early days yet -

viewtopic.php?t=214783

That effort has no support from the Raspberry Pi Foundation that I know of.
I wonder if the relevant licenses have been paid...
I would doubt it but I wonder if Microsoft will care ? I doubt they will.

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Re: Windows10

Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:13 am

Even if we can get past all the mechanical and legal issues - of which there are many of each - aren't the core problems:

1) It will be very slow. I just don't see any way this can be finessed, no matter how hard you try, given the relative power between, say, an Intel i7 (or whatever's current these days...), and what's in the Rpi.

2) You won't be able to run your existing X86 software - the way that most people who seek this sort of thing will expect.

I get that #2 is "being worked on", but it sounds like it will still be an emulation layer - sort of like running the Windows stuff in a VM (Virtual Box or VMWare or whatever). I have a feeling it may, eventually, be good (i.e., transparent) enough for us hackers, but we're not the target audience for this sort of thing anyway.
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Re: Windows10

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:19 am

scpinto wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:21 pm
Hi,

This is my first time using raspberry pi and I had a question about what OS I could use. I am working with a raspberry pi 3 B device. I know that one of the operating systems that is available for the raspberry pi is Windows10 IoT. However, I was wondering if there was anyway that Windows10 Professional could be used as the OS for a raspberry pi. Thank you.

There are various Windows 10 releases and it seems you want to run the Desktop version which requires a machine with x86 CPU Architecture..

viewtopic.php?f=105&t=115197

..the RPi SBC has ARM CPU Architecture.

Therefore you have bought the wrong product:

https://up-shop.org/up-boards/48-up-boa ... emory.html
adieu

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Re: Windows10

Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:23 am

n67 wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:13 am
1) It will be very slow.
2) You won't be able to run your existing X86 software
I would suggest watching the video which is linked to in the thread I mentioned. That shows what they've got working so far and it seems pretty responsive to me, even when emulating X86 software.

Will it be good enough ? I think, as always, that will come down to the end user, what their expectations are, what they are prepared to accept and not, whether they appreciate it's a $35 computer and the limitations that brings to the game, same as already applies for the Pi as a desktop replacement.

It won't be a universal panacea. But it doesn't have to be.

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