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Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:46 pm

Hi All.

Just wanted to start a thread for those who are, either:

a) Wanting to get a gertboard but feel they are unable to build it (for whatever reason)

b) Reasonably skilled and able to solder and build up a gertboard for others who can't...


I know I would be willing to assemble a gertboard for someone who needed it near me.

Alternatively, any schools, collages or universities which have interested students may be able to help those who can't make the boards up themselves, a good extra credit project for a few students.
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:56 pm

meltwater wrote:
I know I would be willing to assemble a gertboard for someone who needed it near me.

Alternatively, any schools, collages or universities which have interested students may be able to help those who can't make the boards up themselves, a good extra credit project for a few students.
How about you update your profile so the punters can know if they are near you or not. ;)
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:05 pm

Jim JKla wrote:
meltwater wrote:
I know I would be willing to assemble a gertboard for someone who needed it near me.

Alternatively, any schools, collages or universities which have interested students may be able to help those who can't make the boards up themselves, a good extra credit project for a few students.
How about you update your profile so the punters can know if they are near you or not. ;)
I'll consider it, although I like to keep my own public details to a minimum.

Besides, it is not a general offer to build gertboards for everyone, but I'd do one and I am hoping that others will also do the same. So ideally anyone who needs help can find a local builder. But failing that, we can always post them I guess.
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:06 pm

City?

You could be anywhere in the wold.

http://rastrack.co.uk/index.php

and these are just the ones that have bothered to add
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Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:23 pm

Its a good idea - but if your own reluctance to give out location information is anything to go by then its going to be tricky getting people saying "send it to 29 Rochester Avenue,Sheffield,England, SH3 7TR" :)

Come up with a way around this problem and you'll be sorted :)

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Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:32 pm

If you don't feel like building the Gertboard yourself, you could visit your local hackerspace and ask for help.

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:41 pm

simplesi wrote:Its a good idea - but if your own reluctance to give out location information is anything to go by then its going to be tricky getting people saying "send it to 29 Rochester Avenue,Sheffield,England, SH3 7TR" :)

Come up with a way around this problem and you'll be sorted :)

Simon
PS I hope there isn't a Rochester Avenue in Sheffield! :)

PS I live around the corner from the Talbot in Euxton :)
Well that is what PM's are for at the end of the day.

As it is, there is no harm in me stating my city. I just don't add personal info which isn't generally important (up until now, it wasn't), but in this case you both are right, this instance it would help (and of little consequence in the bigger picture).

So the offer of help is available to someone in Tewkesbury/Gloucester, UK area. Although posting would be fine, just adds additional costs thats all.
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:27 pm

The thing is, if your wanting to become involved in electronics there is no better time to learn to solder.

Just looking at it I would expect about an hour to assemble it by hand, longer for a beginner.

Unless your going to do that for free, whats an hour of your time worth? perhaps it would be better spending that time teaching someone near you to solder instead.

By offering to do it for them you take away the experience that a noob really needs to have.

However - I do understand that perhaps a noob may even damage their Gertboard soldering it and making a mess. Or they may even be disabled etc and not able to do it even with tuition.
But your biggest problem is getting one in the first place :)

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:31 pm

Get a piece of vero board and practice on that. ;)
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:33 pm

I totally agree, I would encourage anyone to have a go, and if they are nervous about doing it then have a little practice first with some strips of wire and vero-board [as just mentioned above]. You'll probably find you'll get the hang of it the more you do.

However, some people may not be able to have a go (due to eye-sight or other reasons), so in those cases we can help!
Of course I'm talking about a single board and just helping someone out, if it was 20 or so, then yeah I'd probably want paying to do it (nothing wrong with that). An hour spent helping someone is worth more to me than being paid for an hour (well unless there is LOTs of money per hour...).
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:41 am

Ok, I'm happy to help here, here being near Ascot.
Someone buys one, they PM me, I'll pick it up, build it, return it.
My car does 10 miles/l so I'll charge £0.56/mile unless you live somewhere interesting (Windsor Castle?), in which case I might do the collection / delivery for free.

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:33 pm

:idea: If anyone is building or soldering for the first time and is not sure then consider popping along to your local hacker or maker space. The people there will be sure to help.

Details for to find your local spaces can be found

http://hackerspaces.org

My local hackerspace is the Newcastle Maker Space (UK) and for anyone in our local area we'll be having a Gertboard building session once we get them.

http://www.makerspace.org.uk/
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Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:41 pm

See this map to help you find your nearest hacker space
http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:23 pm

Mattylad wrote: whats an hour of your time worth?
More that the cost of the Gertboard. ;)

If you are worried make something else first. Maplin have a lot of kits.
Soldering these parts is not hard, the trick is to look at the joint and keep the iron on until the solder flows round it. The other point is use as little solder as you can.

More that a build service I think it would be better to organising testing and fault finding sessions. Maybe at a Raspberry Jam.

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:24 am

I think what we need is to find a simpler/very cheap kit (<<£5 inc p&p :) ) that does something /anything and suggest people build that one first before tackling the Gertboard.

If fact it should be advertised as a training kit :)

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:53 am

This is a suitable first project; nothing too expensive and nothing that will break invisibly if it's soldered for too long.
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If there's any interest I could come up with an RS/Farnell parts list and some instructions.

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:38 am

I see no buffers :)
They might not break the board but they might break their RPi :)
I was thinking more of pre-made pcb with as cheap as chips 8 port buffer with a design for a few Leds and switches maybe one beefy switching component :)
Something of some use but simple/cheap

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:48 am

rurwin wrote:This is a suitable first project; nothing too expensive and nothing that will break invisibly if it's soldered for too long.
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If there's any interest I could come up with an RS/Farnell parts list and some instructions.
Allready sorted its on the wiki as the Noob hardware project. ;)

http://elinux.org/RPi_Screw_Connector_Breakout_Board
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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:53 am

Mine's more newbie than Mike's :-P ;-)

It doesn't have any circuitry and only one single line of track breaks (unfortunately they are between holes, as are some of Mike's and for the same reason.)

It also uses 0.1" screw terminals, so there are no wires either. (The picture shows a cheap version when I was being a miser about buying the terminal blocks.) It is just four terminal blocks, one piece of stripboard and one header.

The disadvantage of course is that it doesn't have any protection against over-voltage.

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:59 am

Allready sorted its on the wiki as the Noob hardware project
Nah - thats not whats needed to help newbie Gertboard assemblers:)

I'm talking a tiny Gertboard-y type project - e.g. pre-made PCB with silkscreen overlay with the gpio-buffer lines already in (so newbies can't blow stuff up without trying) and layout for a few resistors/leds/switches and maybe one "real" io port just for fun :)

It would be a training kit before you started on your £30 Gertboard :)

But might have some simple use :)

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:38 am

Unless you're making hundreds of them, the cost of the PCB alone will be over £10. Even with stripboard the kit cost would be around that or higher.

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Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:37 pm

Unless you're making hundreds of them
Hundreds??? We are talking 100s of 1000s :) The whole world will be making them on Christmas morning :)

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:52 pm

simplesi wrote:
Unless you're making hundreds of them
Hundreds??? We are talking 100s of 1000s :) The whole world will be making them on Christmas morning :)

Simon
There is one small flaw in that...funding...100s of 1000s of boards aren't cheap, and that is a lot of coasters if something is wrong or no one wants them.

However...there is nothing wrong with providing clear instructions on how to build simple stripboard projects which can be used on the raspberry pi. If you use common components, then it should be no hassle for others to have a go. You could even make up a few kits and ebay them perhaps, pre-cut breaks with push-through component overlay etc, should be no harder than using a PCB.

Remember though, the thread is offer of help to those who can't make their own board. If you are able, then I highly recommend having a go.
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Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:25 pm

rurwin wrote:Unless you're making hundreds of them, the cost of the PCB alone will be over £10. Even with stripboard the kit cost would be around that or higher.

Not at all - I,m waiting for a double sided 50mm x 50mm PI board I,ve designed, to arrive from China - less than $20 US for 10 boards.

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Re: Gertboard Self-assembly / Builders

Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:50 pm

Remember though, the thread is offer of help to those who can't make their own board. If you are able, then I highly recommend having a go.
As I said, I'm in Euxton Lancs PR7 - always happy to help :)

BUT I think others have pointed out that "helping" people in this manner might not be the way forward :) as in the feed fish/teach to fish argument :)

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