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Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:33 pm
by davidemol
I have my new raspberry 2!
The default browser is "Web". Very easy and light but crash continuously!

Which alternative browser you can suggest me? and how to install it?

Thanks!
Davide

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:57 pm
by DougieLawson
Use any browser that runs on Windows, running it on a Windows system. The Raspberry Pi isn't good for that.

Epiphany (aka web) is OK and fast, but full of bugs.
Iceweasel is so slow it's borderline unusable
Chrome is also slow.
Midori is awful and slow.

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:59 pm
by Joe Schmoe
I'm making that my sig quote.

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:51 pm
by DougieLawson
Joe Schmoe wrote:I'm making that my sig quote.
LOL!

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:27 pm
by metalj
Is anyone working on a YouTube browser for rasbian?

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:57 pm
by fruitoftheloom
metalj wrote:Is anyone working on a YouTube browser for rasbian?
Both Epiphany and kweb Browsers support HTML5 video, Youtube now defaults to HTML5 Video:

https://www.youtube.com/html5

If you have a RPi2 B then IceWeasel (Firefox 31ESR) Browser also supports HTML5

https://html5test.com

http://www.videojs.com

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:51 pm
by Joe Schmoe
Yes, but no matter how many times people say that - that now that (some) YouTube videos are HTML5 so all the old issues go away - doesn't change the fact that some (in my experience many/most of the ones I"m interested in) still don't play in Epiphany (or any other OS/Browser combination on the Pi).

So, we're still left spinning in the wind...

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:43 am
by fruitoftheloom
Joe Schmoe wrote:Yes, but no matter how many times people say that - that now that (some) YouTube videos are HTML5 so all the old issues go away - doesn't change the fact that some (in my experience many/most of the ones I"m interested in) still don't play in Epiphany (or any other OS/Browser combination on the Pi).

So, we're still left spinning in the wind...
WHATEVER :!:

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:28 am
by Joe Schmoe
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Joe Schmoe wrote:Yes, but no matter how many times people say that - that now that (some) YouTube videos are HTML5 so all the old issues go away - doesn't change the fact that some (in my experience many/most of the ones I"m interested in) still don't play in Epiphany (or any other OS/Browser combination on the Pi).

So, we're still left spinning in the wind...
WHATEVER :!:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/1 ... 54377.html

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:03 am
by Sleep Mode zZ
When the default browser crashed and refused to start, I installed Chromium. I have not used it much but it seems snappy enough on a Pi 2.

I use Synaptic for installing programs but here is how you do it from the command line (according to Debian wiki):

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apt-get update
apt-get install chromium chromium-l10n
Debian wiki adds, "chromium-l10n is only used for localization and is optional".

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:09 am
by fruitoftheloom
Sleep Mode zZ wrote:When the default browser crashed and refused to start, I installed Chromium. I have not used it much but is seems snappy enough on a Pi 2.

I use Synaptic for installing programs but here is how you do it from the command line (according to Debian wiki):

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apt-get update
apt-get install chromium chromium-l10n
Debian wiki adds, "chromium-l10n is only used for localization and is optional".
...and what version of Chromium ? the latest is version 41 :!:

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:32 am
by Sleep Mode zZ
fruitoftheloom wrote: ...and what version of Chromium ? the latest is version 41 :!:
About page says, "Version 22.0.1229.94". Is there some problems with it?

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:38 am
by fruitoftheloom
Sleep Mode zZ wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote: ...and what version of Chromium ? the latest is version 41 :!:
About page says, "Version 22.0.1229.94". Is there some problems with it?
It has had no security updates in around 18 months and is no longer supported, also many "extensions" are disabled.

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:41 am
by Sleep Mode zZ
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sleep Mode zZ wrote:
fruitoftheloom wrote: ...and what version of Chromium ? the latest is version 41 :!:
About page says, "Version 22.0.1229.94". Is there some problems with it?
It has had no security updates in around 18 months and is no longer supported, also many "extensions" are disabled.
If there are known security vulnerabilities, that would be a real problem. I assumed that Debian/Raspbian would not offer it from their repositories if that is the case...

Anyway, I won't go to the dark corners of the Internet with it, and other than the possible security problems: if it works, it works. For me it worked fine on the few sites I visited whereas Epiphany did not.

(A good reminder to never install Debian stable on any of my computers. When with the next version there will be a new version of Chromium available but it won't take long before it will become unsupported in the same way when the rest of the world moves on while Debian stable does not. )

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:49 am
by fruitoftheloom
Sleep Mode zZ wrote:About page says, "Version 22.0.1229.94".

If there are known security vulnerabilities, that would be a real problem. I assumed that Debian/Raspbian would not offer it from their repositories if that is the case...

Anyway, I won't go to the dark corners of the Internet with it, and other than the possible security problems: if it works, it works. For me it worked fine on the few sites I visited whereas Epiphany did not.

(A good reminder to never install Debian stable on any of my computers. When with the next version there will be a new version of Chromium available but it won't take long before it will become unsupported in the same way when the rest of the world moves on while Debian stable does not. )
fyi Debian Wheezy and Jessie only offer x86-32 & x86-64 versions of Chromium now, the ARM version of Chromium was removed from Debian repositories, but Raspbian kept the old version:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium

...though Ubuntu Communiity release for RPi2 B does have an up to date Chromium release ;)

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:12 am
by Sleep Mode zZ
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Sleep Mode zZ wrote: (A good reminder to never install Debian stable on any of my computers. When with the next version there will be a new version of Chromium available but it won't take long before it will become unsupported in the same way when the rest of the world moves on while Debian stable does not. )
fyi Debian Wheezy and Jessie only offer x86-32 & x86-64 versions of Chromium now, the ARM version of Chromium was removed from Debian repositories, but Raspbian kept the old version:

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium

...though Ubuntu Communiity release for RPi2 B does have an up to date Chromium release ;)
Thank you for the information. Why did Debian remove it? In addition to Ubuntu it seems than Arch also has Chromium for ARMv7. (And Google has of course Chrome working on ARM on on both Android and ChromeOS ). So it seems that it compiles and works without problems on ARM architecture. Oh, now it came to me: is the problem that later versions of Chromium won't run on ARMv6? (I had then wrongly assumed that the reason was that Chromium versions later than 22 needed libc6 version 2.15 or newer, whereas Raspbian only has version 2.13)

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:44 am
by fruitoftheloom
I believe it was a decision taken by the Chromium Developers, Chromium went from WebKit to Blink Engine at version 28........

Arch Linux Arm for ARMv6 dropped Chromium because of issues building version 28 and later, if I remember correctly, but only developers would no for sure ;)

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:25 am
by kusti8
I believe that any version of chromium later than 22 needs libc 2.15 or newer which is why Ubuntu has chromium v43.

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:38 am
by Wayne Keenan
this installs a recent version of Chromium on Jessie

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mkdir chromium
cd chromium
wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/237755896/libgcrypt11_1.5.3-2ubuntu4.3_armhf.deb
wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/248437551/chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra_49.0.2623.87-0ubuntu0.14.04.1.1112_armhf.deb
wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/248437549/chromium-browser_49.0.2623.87-0ubuntu0.14.04.1.1112_armhf.deb

sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:50 am
by funtomas
kweb

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:14 pm
by hello world :-)
davidemol wrote:I have my new raspberry 2!
The default browser is "Web". Very easy and light but crash continuously!

Which alternative browser you can suggest me? and how to install it?

Thanks!
Davide
My "levels of browsing":
0. Lynx: Text-based (Terminal) browser, doesn't display images. Used for when my mouse batteries run out, when I'm in the terminal and don't want to open the DE, for novelty purposes, to surprise people (look, that person's using the terminal, they must be an ultra l33t h4xx0r! or Whoa, that's weird!), and when I can't be be bothered to open the next level of browsing. Not used very often at all. apt-get install lynx
1. Dillo: Very basic browser, websites look like they've been passed through mowser.com, no Javascript but has images. Used for research, casual browsing, reference and when I don't know exactly how safe a website is. If a website doesn't work in this browser I usually give up or try it in Level 3. Second-most-used browser. Comes with Raspbian, enable the menu entry using the Main Menu Editor.
2. Netsurf: More like Level 3 than Level 1. No Javascript, but rendering is more-or-less ok, although slightly worse than Level 3. Used for hardly anything, because it functions slightly worse than Level 3 with Javascript disabled. Least used browser. Also comes with Raspbian, enable the menu entry.
3a. Midori: Rather bland but OK web browser. Suffers from serious memory leaks. Not every website works perfectly, but it's good enough for day-to-day browsing. Killer feature: Javascript on-off toggle on the bottom panel (not enabled by default). If a website doesn't work in this browser, I try it in Lvl3b, then Lvl4. Most-used browser.
3b. Epiphany Web Browser (Web): The default browser on Raspbian. Quirk/usability wise mostly on the same level as Lvl3a. No Javascript on-off toggle on the panel though. A bit faster than Lvl3a. If something doesn't work in this browser I try Lvl3a, then Lvl4. Also most-used browser (used as much as 3a). Comes pre-installed in Raspbian.
4. Iceweasel (Firefox) with QuickJS addon: Very resource-intensive browser. Every website works perfectly though. Mostly used for when a website fails to work properly in any of the other browsers (eg. ReCAPTCHA). The QuickJS addon adds a Javascript on-off toggle on the toolbar without using up a lot of RAM. Third least-used browser. apt-get install iceweasel QuickJS: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... src=search

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:17 pm
by DougieLawson
You're wrong about Epiphany, that's a terrible browser and a buggy piece of brown smelly stuff.

Also where's Kweb and Chromium 50?

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:26 pm
by hello world :-)
DougieLawson wrote:You're wrong about Epiphany, that's a terrible browser and a buggy piece of brown smelly stuff.

Also where's Kweb and Chromium 50?
That's just my opinion. It works for me, although I use Midori slightly more than Epiphany. Chromium is not an option because of Pi B+. I still don't quite understand what Kweb is.

Also another level of browsing, and probably the most used of all, is the web browser on my Kindle 4. mowser.com and Javascript off makes it possible to use it for more-or-less the same things as Dillo (reading and research, 85% of my web browsing), and if I'm really desperate, I can just open the website directly with Javascript on and wait for it to respond again. ADVICE TO KINDLE OWNERS: Hold power button down for 40 seconds to hard-reboot even when not responding! Saved me once...

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:38 pm
by stderr
hello world :-) wrote:
DougieLawson wrote:You're wrong about Epiphany, that's a terrible browser and a buggy piece of brown smelly stuff.
That's just my opinion. It works for me, although I use Midori slightly more than Epiphany.
My experience is that using those involves them crashing which I don't find acceptable. I also want to run noscripts, some type of adblocking, MAFF support for saving pages properly, and I've also taken a liking to wikidictionary and google translate being available by just holding the ctrl and shift keys while pointing at something. So this really means firefox even though it is a pig.

Re: Which best browser??

Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:50 pm
by hello world :-)
stderr wrote:
hello world :-) wrote:
DougieLawson wrote:You're wrong about Epiphany, that's a terrible browser and a buggy piece of brown smelly stuff.
That's just my opinion. It works for me, although I use Midori slightly more than Epiphany.
My experience is that using those involves them crashing which I don't find acceptable. I also want to run noscripts, some type of adblocking, MAFF support for saving pages properly, and I've also taken a liking to wikidictionary and google translate being available by just holding the ctrl and shift keys while pointing at something. So this really means firefox even though it is a pig.
Noscripts = the Javascript toggle on Midori, and the checkbox in Preferences on Epiphany. Adblock is built in to both of them (on Midori it's a plugin that comes with the browser). Last time they crashed was 4 days ago when trying to load CNET.com in Midori, and 6 days ago when trying to use YouTube in Epiphany. Last time Iceweasel crashed was one day ago, when using the Minecraft Forum.

(sigh) look, I have a Pi B+. I can't do all the fancy stuff everybody else do with ther 3Bs and 2Bs... :(