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Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:46 pm

I'd like to order 100 RPi 3 boards with MPEG2 and VC1 codecs unlocked.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:41 pm

Unless specified otherwise my response is based on the latest and fully updated Raspbian Stretch w/ Desktop OS.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:55 pm

klricks wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:41 pm
https://www.element14.com/community/doc ... on-service

You will have to order 5000 units.
Isn't that only for physical modifications, not plain bulk orders. The difficulty I see here is that E14/Farnell and RS will happily do bulk orders, but the Codec licences are done via RPT.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:05 pm

We must be very close to the expiry time of the last patent in the MPEG-2 pool that is still in force. More than 90% of them were gone by 2015.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:11 pm

Maybe contact Raspberry Pi directly via: https://www.raspberrypi.org/contact/

(But that is without any knowledge of whether it is even practically possible to meet your requirement. Or whether it is commercially viable.)

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:16 am

drgeoff wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:05 pm
We must be very close to the expiry time of the last patent in the MPEG-2 pool that is still in force. More than 90% of them were gone by 2015.
You mean there's a limit to how many boards can buy the license?!
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:49 am

There is a time limit on patents....normally 17 years in the US.
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:43 am

Last one for MPEG2 expires in Feb 2018 according to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... -2_patents
which, if correct, could mean that RPT can ship with it enabled from then on.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:01 am

Imperf3kt wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:16 am
drgeoff wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:05 pm
We must be very close to the expiry time of the last patent in the MPEG-2 pool that is still in force. More than 90% of them were gone by 2015.
You mean there's a limit to how many boards can buy the license?!
No. There is a time limit to how long the basic licence can be chargeable for. The RPF/RPT currently have to pay a proportion of the cost of the codec unlocking fee to the patent holders. In theory that will end when the last patent runs out. However there are still overheads to supplying the keys (someone has to do it) for now. Maybe once all the patents have expired an updated firmware will be released that unlocks it on all Raspberrys. I don't know.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am

paulslocum wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:46 pm
I'd like to order 100 RPi 3 boards with MPEG2 and VC1 codecs unlocked.
I'm not sure that is a service we provide. You will, I think, need to collate the serial numbers of the Pi, and buy the licences from the RPF. Since it is entirely a software thing, there is no such thing as unlocking the HW itself, so buying boards with them already enabled would require buying the boards with an SD card already programmed.
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:53 am

jamesh wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am
Since it is entirely a software thing, there is no such thing as unlocking the HW itself, so buying boards with them already enabled would require buying the boards with an SD card already programmed.
That does not seem to agree with what jamesh's colleague dom said in viewtopic.php?f=29&t=169681#p1090759

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:52 pm

drgeoff wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:53 am
jamesh wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am
Since it is entirely a software thing, there is no such thing as unlocking the HW itself, so buying boards with them already enabled would require buying the boards with an SD card already programmed.
That does not seem to agree with what jamesh's colleague dom said in viewtopic.php?f=29&t=169681#p1090759

The OTP BIT needs to be set initially via software.

Once set it is there forever just like the OTP for Boot Modes.......
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:08 pm

drgeoff wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:53 am
jamesh wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am
Since it is entirely a software thing, there is no such thing as unlocking the HW itself, so buying boards with them already enabled would require buying the boards with an SD card already programmed.
That does not seem to agree with what jamesh's colleague dom said in viewtopic.php?f=29&t=169681#p1090759
Correct in that once the firmware has seen the appropriate codec licence key once then it will set OTP bits appropriately to permanently enable that codec.
You can include multiple codec keys in config.txt (comma separated), but that is limited to 8 keys. That might help make life easier for yourself.

Alternatively you may be able to set up an automated script to deal with collecting the serial numbers, submitting the order, collecting the emails, and then collecting the codec keys and using them (therefore programming the OTP). I do know that the RPT end is automated with intervention only in the event of issues, so it should be able to all happy automagically.

I'm not wanting to reduce our income (though most of it goes to MPEG-LA), but the Pi3 can quite happily decode MPEG2 standard def on the ARM cores. (I must confess that is how my Kodi install is running for watching DVB-T and DVB-S broadcasts, and DVDs). I've not looked at VC1.
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:50 am

Thank you for all the responses. I swear I read on here somewhere that you could order boards with the codecs unlocked if you buy 100 or more. I'm making product with the RPi, and unlocking each one is a hassle since you have to wait for the email response, which has sometimes taken a day or two.

MPEG2 is much more important to me that VC1, so maybe I could just wait a few months for the codec to be included when the patents expire.

How do I get omxplayer to play MPEG2 files with software decoding? It quits without playing anything when I try it.

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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:31 am

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How do I get omxplayer to play MPEG2 files with software decoding? It quits without playing anything when I try it.
Not possible. omxplayer completely depends on hardware codecs.
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Re: Who to contact about ordering boards with codecs unlocked?

Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:29 am

What is the alternative to omxplayer that is capable of playing MPEG2 using software decoding?

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