PhilE wrote:We appreciate the fact that some people are prepared to try life on the cutting edge because they multiply our testing facilities - they get the cool new features first, and occasionally they get the bugs first too, which keeps everybody else safer.
This thread is here to support the brave; questioning their presence here is off-topic noise.
I'm not questioning the presense, I'm asking that the apt-get stuff does the right stuff for the friendly loonies as that will make everyone's life a bunch easier.
Eight of my eleven raspberries are now running 4.9.0. Seven got updated to it yesterday. My 3B has been running that kernel for two weeks (because it's also doing the USB booting stuff). All eight of those are now getting rpi-update run every day at 4:00am.
The other three are running old (with a very long uptime on a 1B) or specialised kernel (Wolfson on a 1B) or my public web server (B+ which needs 24/7 availability).
@DougieLawson: and what I'm saying is that one of my Raspberry Pi 3 devices has been running an aarch64 (armv8) kernel 4.9.0 for about 3 weeks... but I didn't manage that by using 'BRANCH=next rpi-update' commands! I'm also running an armv8 kernel 4.10 in the same fashion. The move to a kernel 4.9 for the Raspberry Pi platform might be considered as a great step forward for users such as yourself, but for some of us it's old news. Spare a thought for those users who might take exception to how you refer to them because they don't use, or depend on, rpi-update to make them feel like they have achieved something. You can rave about your awesomeness, or the multitude of Raspberry Pi's you have and what your doing with them, all you like but my point is, you didn't build those kernels/modules yourself, or configure your system to accept or accommodate any changes. Anybody can type 'dah-dee-dah' at the command prompt and achieve what you've done. I've done it myself a dozen times or more. That's not the bleeding edge, it's the bleeding results
of using the 'BRANCH=next rpi-update' command and nothing more.
@PhilE: I'm quite interested in what you guys are doing right now and how you're moving ever closer towards kernel 4.9.x, with a special interest in the Raspberry Pi firmware and if there's any support planned for the aarch64 (arm64/armv8.1) architecture. My chosen Linux distro is Slackware ARM so it's not really relevant here. I put a great deal of time and effort into supporting Slackware ARM on all of your devices (except the Zero) and have done for well over 4 (four) years! The installers I create, along with the kernels/modules/DTBs, are entirely custom-built using conventional methods. Using rpi-update to upgrade your kernel/modules/firmware works very well 99.999% of the time and is a very convenient way of doing it. There's no shame in doing it that way! It's not the best way to learn exactly what's going on during the process or which files are being modified/changed/created/overwritten/etc. Incidentally, I do take exception to Raspbian n00bz
referring to other users due to their subjective choices or methods, in whatever context, as 'loonies
' because at the end of the day the work I'm involved in is far in advance of your regular Raspberry Pi user utilising the rpi-update command/options. Yet, you don't see me going around patting myself on the back for it, or wanting the spotlight to be pointing at me with much adulation and fanfare. I sometimes wonder if rpi-update wasn't available just how many of these 'Linux gurus
' would be running anything other than the stock kernel/modules/firmware. Probably not the majority. From personal experience, Linux users in general these days don't want to work at achieving something, they much prefer to be handed the work of others on a plate for them to use (i.e. the easy way to achieving greatness
) and then somehow justify themselves as having done something notable and/or remarkable. Linux distros like Raspbian make it easy for people to get involved in something other than MS Windows, which can only be a good thing.
However, as I've already stated, I am focussing on the kernel 4.9/4.10 and aarch64/arm64. I'll be keeping a close eye on any and all related developments from the RPi Foundation regarding the move to 4.9.x. I wish you well in all your endeavours, PhilE.