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Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:41 pm

Hello, I've tried to connect my Raspberry Pi 3 B+ to the Internet using UTP cable and its built-in ethernet port, but it's not working and I don't know why. I've tried with different routers and it hasn't connected to any of them which suggests me that the problem lies in the Pi itself and not the router. I thought that the cable might be faulty so I tested my hypothesis by connecting computer to it and I succesfully managed to connect my laptop to the Internet using the wired connection. WiFi on the Pi is working normally. When I disable WiFi and connect the cable, only the orange LED is blinking and sometimes green, but it doesn't establish a successfull connection. I checked my router and found that the Pi got its static IP address I've preconfigured in the router menu indicating that it started the communication with the router, got IP address and for some reason stopped communicating. I can see my Pi displayed under connected devices, but ethernet port says that the connection is down. Pi also says that the connection is down. This is what I get when I run ip link and ifconfig:

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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ip link
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:55:cc:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:00:99:02 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ifconfig
eth0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        ether b8:27:eb:55:cc:57  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 62  bytes 10804 (10.5 KiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
        inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
        inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
        loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)
        RX packets 5  bytes 284 (284.0 B)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 5  bytes 284 (284.0 B)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

wlan0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.1.100  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
        inet6 fe80::1d:6b65:3e19:f7ef  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>
        ether b8:27:eb:00:99:02  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 8814  bytes 9529177 (9.0 MiB)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 5879  bytes 652673 (637.3 KiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
And this is what I see in my router's menu. Pi is connected on ethernet port 2, while the port 1 is my home PC:
Ethernet Port Status.jpg
Pi is connected to port 2, port 1 is my home PC.
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Do you have any ideas as to what might be happening?

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:14 pm

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:41 pm
Hello, I've tried to connect my Raspberry Pi 3 B+ to the Internet using UTP cable and its built-in ethernet port, but it's not working and I don't know why. I've tried with different routers and it hasn't connected to any of them which suggests me that the problem lies in the Pi itself and not the router. I thought that the cable might be faulty so I tested my hypothesis by connecting computer to it and I succesfully managed to connect my laptop to the Internet using the wired connection. WiFi on the Pi is working normally. When I disable WiFi and connect the cable, only the orange LED is blinking and sometimes green, but it doesn't establish a successfull connection. I checked my router and found that the Pi got its static IP address I've preconfigured in the router menu indicating that it started the communication with the router, got IP address and for some reason stopped communicating. I can see my Pi displayed under connected devices, but ethernet port says that the connection is down. Pi also says that the connection is down. This is what I get when I run ip link and ifconfig:

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pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ip link
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:55:cc:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DORMANT group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b8:27:eb:00:99:02 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

pi@raspberrypi:~ $ ifconfig
eth0: flags=4099<UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        ether b8:27:eb:55:cc:57  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 0  bytes 0 (0.0 B)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 62  bytes 10804 (10.5 KiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

lo: flags=73<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING>  mtu 65536
        inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
        inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10<host>
        loop  txqueuelen 1000  (Local Loopback)
        RX packets 5  bytes 284 (284.0 B)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 5  bytes 284 (284.0 B)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

wlan0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.1.100  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
        inet6 fe80::1d:6b65:3e19:f7ef  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>
        ether b8:27:eb:00:99:02  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 8814  bytes 9529177 (9.0 MiB)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 5879  bytes 652673 (637.3 KiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
And this is what I see in my router's menu. Pi is connected on ethernet port 2, while the port 1 is my home PC:
Ethernet Port Status.jpg


Do you have any ideas as to what might be happening?

What Operating System is running on your RPi3B+ board?

What is the pre-determined IP address you have asked the Router to assign to the Ethernet port of the RPi?

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:31 pm

Sorry, I've forgot to mention that I'm running Raspberry OS downloaded from Pi website and I've assigned 192.168.1.99 to my Pi.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:32 pm

As far as I've read, for most people, ethernet works just by itself when you plug it in. Literally like plug-and-play which makes sense, but for me, it's not the case.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:48 pm

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:32 pm
As far as I've read, for most people, ethernet works just by itself when you plug it in. Literally like plug-and-play which makes sense, but for me, it's not the case.
But you are not using the equivalent of PnP. You are using 'let me interfere a bit and see if it works... ' [Although I agree that pre-assigning an address for the router to deliver by dhcp is a reasonable and sensible thing to attempt: it works for me.]

Is 192.168.1.99 outside the pool of addresses the Router would assign automatically?

Have you tried the default option of doing nothing and letting the Router assign an address?

Have you tried restarting the Router after any/every significant change to configuration?

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:08 pm

B.Goode wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:48 pm
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:32 pm
As far as I've read, for most people, ethernet works just by itself when you plug it in. Literally like plug-and-play which makes sense, but for me, it's not the case.
But you are not using the equivalent of PnP. You are using 'let me interfere a bit and see if it works... ' [Although I agree that pre-assigning an address for the router to deliver by dhcp is a reasonable and sensible thing to attempt: it works for me.]

Is 192.168.1.99 outside the pool of addresses the Router would assign automatically?

Have you tried the default option of doing nothing and letting the Router assign an address?

Have you tried restarting the Router after any/every significant change to configuration?
My IP addresses range from 1 to 255 and I've tried without using the static IP, just letting the DHCP connect the Pi to the network and assign the address by itself, but I still don't have an Internet connection. Setting a static IP changed nothing for me. I've tried restarting the router and that did nothing.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:37 pm

Do you have MAC address filtering enabled in your router?

Do you see any activity on the Ethernet port?

Have you tried a different Ethernet cable?

It really should just work.
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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:43 pm

I do not have MAC filtering, it's disabled, I've tried different cables, and there is no activity on the Ethernet port the Pi is connected to. I've also checked the power supply which is 3 A so it is perfectly capable of powering the Pi.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 am

Is it possible that my ethernet chip might be bad?

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:24 am

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 am
Is it possible that my ethernet chip might be bad?

You are sure it is a Power Supply and not a Phone / Tablet Charger ?

Official Power Supply is 5.1V 2.5A:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... wer-supply

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:26 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:24 am
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 am
Is it possible that my ethernet chip might be bad?

You are sure it is a Power Supply and not a Phone / Tablet Charger ?

Official Power Supply is 5.1V 2.5A:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/ra ... wer-supply

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Well, I'm using the 5 volt 3 amps phone charger and I've tested it and it gives 3 amps.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am

I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am
I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.

A Phone Charger and Power Supply are similar but different products for differing purposes, hence why Raspberry Pi Trading started selling Power Supplies which are cost effective and fantastic quality:

https://www.haredataelectronics.co.uk/d ... -a-charger


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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am
I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.

A Phone Charger and Power Supply are entirely different products, there is no battery which requires charging on the Raspberry Pi SBC :shock:

https://www.haredataelectronics.co.uk/d ... -a-charger


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Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts. Smartphones have built-in charging circuit which provides batteries with constant current while charging. Essentially, they are pretty much similar.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:09 am

This is what I get when I hover with the pointer over the networking applet on desktop. You can see that the Pi tries to configure but fails.
IMG_20210730_130637.jpg
Pi tries to configure...
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IMG_20210730_130607.jpg
...but fails.
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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:10 am

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am
I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.

A Phone Charger and Power Supply are entirely different products, there is no battery which requires charging on the Raspberry Pi SBC :shock:

https://www.haredataelectronics.co.uk/d ... -a-charger


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Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts. Smartphones have built-in charging circuit which provides batteries with constant current while charging. Essentially, they are pretty much similar.

Yes and no, quite often phone chargers will not be able to hold 5V when used as power supplies and under load hence why you get the under-voltage warning.

I am not prepared to argue, I know from experience and various posts on this forum that quality of chargers and power supplies are variable quality. I have a high end SmartPhone and its charger will not power a 3B+......
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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:14 am

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:10 am
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:59 am



A Phone Charger and Power Supply are entirely different products, there is no battery which requires charging on the Raspberry Pi SBC :shock:

https://www.haredataelectronics.co.uk/d ... -a-charger


.
Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts. Smartphones have built-in charging circuit which provides batteries with constant current while charging. Essentially, they are pretty much similar.

Yes and no, quite often phone chargers will not be able to hold 5V when used as power supplies and under load hence why you get the under-voltage warning.
Sooo my only bet is buying the official power supply? I don't know why, but it seems that ethernet needs the most power, while everything is working normally with lower current charger/power supply.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:28 am

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:14 am
fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:10 am
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am


Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts. Smartphones have built-in charging circuit which provides batteries with constant current while charging. Essentially, they are pretty much similar.

Yes and no, quite often phone chargers will not be able to hold 5V when used as power supplies and under load hence why you get the under-voltage warning.
Sooo my only bet is buying the official power supply? I don't know why, but it seems that ethernet needs the most power, while everything is working normally with lower current charger/power supply.

You can just ignore my posts if you so wish, I am like everyone else here just a community volunteer who undertakes participation gratis.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:53 am

I've been watching some YouTube videos and it is generally said that Pi doesn't require stable 5.00 V but rather between 5.10 – 5.25 V and below that range it gives low power warning. When I buy a new power supply, I'll write how it goes!

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:53 am
I've been watching some YouTube videos and it is generally said that Pi doesn't require stable 5.00 V but rather between 5.10 – 5.25 V and below that range it gives low power warning. When I buy a new power supply, I'll write how it goes!


there is low-voltage detection circuitry that will detect if the supply voltage drops below 4.63V (+/- 5%).

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentati ... /README.md

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:08 pm

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am
Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts.
In a perfect world, sure, but in reality, not so much...

Phone batteries only require a little over 4.2V to charge, so a stable 5V output isn't required to charge a phone battery. I have owned 5V/2.4A chargers that dipped well below 5V at only a 1A load. That charger worked fine for charging my phone and tablet, but it was a lousy Pi PSU.

This is not true for all chargers, of course, but that uncertainty is why we don't recommend chargers for power supplies.

Also, most DVMs won't detect brief transient voltage dips, but the Pi's low voltage hardware will. This is why you might see a constant 5V on a voltage meter and still have low voltage warnings from the Pi.

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am
I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.
If you are seeing low voltage warnings from the Pi, then at some point the voltage being detected by the Pi has dropped below 4.63V.


Or it could be the USB cable you are using...

If your charger uses a separate USB cable to deliver the power, then low voltage could be the result of resistance in the USB cable. A normal micro-USB 2.0 data cable will have thin power wires (typically 28 AWG). You need to use a cable designed for charging smartphones or tablets with at least 24 AWG wires (the official RPF PSU uses 18 AWG wires).

The length of the cable also affects resistance. So you want a short micro-USB cable with fat power wires.

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
Yes YouTube full of good and bad advice :roll:
Mostly bad (and often outdated).
My mind is like a browser. 27 tabs are open, 9 aren't responding,
lots of pop-ups...and where is that annoying music coming from?

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:15 pm

HawaiianPi wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:08 pm
mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:04 am
Well phone chargers are essentially power supplies with overcurrent protection which supply constant 5 volts.
In a perfect world, sure, but in reality, not so much...

Phone batteries only require a little over 4.2V to charge, so a stable 5V output isn't required to charge a phone battery. I have owned 5V/2.4A chargers that dipped well below 5V at only a 1A load. That charger worked fine for charging my phone and tablet, but it was a lousy Pi PSU.

This is not true for all chargers, of course, but that uncertainty is why we don't recommend chargers for power supplies.

Also, most DVMs won't detect brief transient voltage dips, but the Pi's low voltage hardware will. This is why you might see a constant 5V on a voltage meter and still have low voltage warnings from the Pi.

mihajlo2003 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:37 am
I'm not sure why does the Pi give me low power warnings when the charger can supply it with sufficient current.
If you are seeing low voltage warnings from the Pi, then at some point the voltage being detected by the Pi has dropped below 4.63V.


Or it could be the USB cable you are using...

If your charger uses a separate USB cable to deliver the power, then low voltage could be the result of resistance in the USB cable. A normal micro-USB 2.0 data cable will have thin power wires (typically 28 AWG). You need to use a cable designed for charging smartphones or tablets with at least 24 AWG wires (the official RPF PSU uses 18 AWG wires).

The length of the cable also affects resistance. So you want a short micro-USB cable with fat power wires.

fruitoftheloom wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm
Yes YouTube full of good and bad advice :roll:
Mostly bad (and often outdated).
Thank you for such a comprehensive and informative post! I'm using short USB cable for charging smartphones and I was also suspecting that resistance might be the issue so I'll post when I buy the official Pi power supply or try something else.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:07 pm

do you have another RPi (RPi3B, RPi4B) with you?

if so can you test on your current setup (just change the RPi3B+ with the other RPi) if it does work?

if the other RPi work with your current setup, and the RPi3B+ is the only one that does not work, then your suspect that your RPi3B+ has a problem with the LAN chip may be true...

if using a USB to Ethernet adapter on the RPi3B+ also fails (but confirmed to work with other RPis) then USB chip may also have failed...

to be able to use the RPi3B+ with a faulty LAN chip, WiFi connection is your only choice.
to be able to use the RPi3B+ with a faulty USB chip (which also controls the LAN chip)....as headless unit controlled via SSH or VNC....

worse comes to worse.... your RPi3B+ has become a "paper weight"
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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:32 pm

LTolledo wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:07 pm
do you have another RPi (RPi3B, RPi4B) with you?

if so can you test on your current setup (just change the RPi3B+ with the other RPi) if it does work?

if the other RPi work with your current setup, and the RPi3B+ is the only one that does not work, then your suspect that your RPi3B+ has a problem with the LAN chip may be true...

if using a USB to Ethernet adapter on the RPi3B+ also fails (but confirmed to work with other RPis) then USB chip may also have failed...

to be able to use the RPi3B+ with a faulty LAN chip, WiFi connection is your only choice.
to be able to use the RPi3B+ with a faulty USB chip (which also controls the LAN chip)....as headless unit controlled via SSH or VNC....

worse comes to worse.... your RPi3B+ has become a "paper weight"
No, I don't have another Pi so I cannot check that way. I'm using onboard ethernet port, otherwise, USB is working fine.

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Re: Ethernet not working on Pi 3 B+

Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:14 pm

USB working.... that's good to know..

I've used a USB to GbE Ethernet adapter on a RPi2B, so I can get "better speed" (which it actually did)...

its good to have some "spares" around... to aid in troubleshooting...and cut down the chase... ;)
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