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It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:39 am
by SDMLG
I thought for something completely different, I would image ubuntu core onto an SD card and boot my raspberry pi 4b with it. It boots OK, and I wanted to enable Wi-Fi as well as the ethernet port. As long as it’s going to do it for me, I want to enable the Wi-Fi, so that later on I can disconnect the ethernet cable and just use the system on WiFi.
I only get as far in the Wi-Fi configuration as telling it what SSID to use, and before I can finish that it reboots again. What? I tried it several times and finally gave up and I’ll just go with eth0. Then I get to the point where it asks me to sign into the store. Store? What store? I don’t want any store. That’s what Microsoft makes you do and I hate that. But of course there is no way to create an account when you’re configuring the system.
So I grudgingly went to my iPad and login.ubuntu.com and created an account with a username, my email and a password. Fine. One more useless and unnecessary registration I have to keep track of. OK hopefully that’s enough of that. But oh no there is more BS to go through. It turns out the configuration will not except my email address that I just created. What? Seriously? OK I thought maybe there is a delay before the account is synchronized or something. Oh but wait that’s not the issue. It is demanding that I give it an SSH key before it will can continue with the system configuration. WHAT??? That’s yet one more thing that I have no use for and will have to keep track of. And I’m supposed to create this on the system that hasn’t been configured or fully booted yet? That’s nuts! I’m done. It’s back to getting Raspbian going and UBUNTU goes out the window.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:52 am
by fruitoftheloom
SDMLG wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:39 am
I thought for something completely different, I would image ubuntu core onto an SD card and boot my raspberry pi 4b with it. It boots OK, and I wanted to enable Wi-Fi as well as the ethernet port. As long as it’s going to do it for me, I want to enable the Wi-Fi, so that later on I can disconnect the ethernet cable and just use the system on WiFi.
I only get as far in the Wi-Fi configuration as telling it what SSID to use, and before I can finish that it reboots again. What? I tried it several times and finally gave up and I’ll just go with eth0. Then I get to the point where it asks me to sign into the store. Store? What store? I don’t want any store. That’s what Microsoft makes you do and I hate that. But of course there is no way to create an account when you’re configuring the system.
So I grudgingly went to my iPad and login.ubuntu.com and created an account with a username, my email and a password. Fine. One more useless and unnecessary registration I have to keep track of. OK hopefully that’s enough of that. But oh no there is more BS to go through. It turns out the configuration will not except my email address that I just created. What? Seriously? OK I thought maybe there is a delay before the account is synchronized or something. Oh but wait that’s not the issue. It is demanding that I give it an SSH key before it will can continue with the system configuration. WHAT??? That’s yet one more thing that I have no use for and will have to keep track of. And I’m supposed to create this on the system that hasn’t been configured or fully booted yet? That’s nuts! I’m done. It’s back to getting Raspbian going and UBUNTU goes out the window.
Ubuntu Core is aimed at IoT:
https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi-core
Ubuntu Server is aimed more as an alternative to other Desktop Linux / Unix Operating Systems:
https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:49 am
by DougieLawson
SDMLG wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:39 am
<RANT>
It’s back to getting Raspbian going and UBUNTU goes out the window.
</RANT>
And the purpose of that rant is ... ?
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:21 am
by Giga_Pi
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Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:34 am
by waveform80
As noted, Core is aimed at IoT. To expand a bit on what that implies: think of Ubuntu Core as a deployment platform rather than a general purpose OS.
It's the sort of thing you might use to support an appliance (some self-contained hardware device) that happens to have a Pi driving it. In other words, the typical use-case would be to flash Core, install the snap for the pi-powered appliance and ... well, that's that. In this case Core is just providing the minimal OS required, the infrastructure to support the snap, and handling keeping things automatically updated. And yes, it's pretty aggressive in this compared to "classic" ubuntu server because the assumption is there may be no means of user interaction with the console on some appliances (think of a smart thermostat).
If you're looking for something closer to Raspbian (Lite specifically), then the
Ubuntu Server for Pi images are what you want.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:48 pm
by SDMLG
Ah. I was thinking that “core“ meant a basic Ubuntu system, and “server” meant a full blown server with web servers and a whole bunch of services that I probably wouldn’t need. The whole thing was a misunderstanding and bad judgment on my part during a couple of bad days. I should have done more research. My apologies.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:54 pm
by SDMLG
DougieLawson wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:49 am
SDMLG wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:39 am
<RANT>
It’s back to getting Raspbian going and UBUNTU goes out the window.
</RANT>
And the purpose of that rant is ... ?
Oops. I forgot to use the <RANT></RANT> tags for my rant, and the rant was in bad taste anyway. Very frustrated after a couple of bad days. However I should not have vented here. My apologies.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:59 pm
by SDMLG
Giga_Pi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:21 am
To advice people against using ubuntu? Personally I don't like ubuntu for Pi, but for a different reason.
Or perhaps, the newest product of the troll factory?
I am deeply embarrassed but apparently I had turned into a troll on the day I posted this rant. I’m usually a lot more patient but was having a couple of bad days and was very frustrated.
I would be interested in what your reasons are for not liking Ubuntu for Pi.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:02 pm
by SDMLG
waveform80 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:34 am
As noted, Core is aimed at IoT. To expand a bit on what that implies: think of Ubuntu Core as a deployment platform rather than a general purpose OS.
It's the sort of thing you might use to support an appliance (some self-contained hardware device) that happens to have a Pi driving it. In other words, the typical use-case would be to flash Core, install the snap for the pi-powered appliance and ... well, that's that. In this case Core is just providing the minimal OS required, the infrastructure to support the snap, and handling keeping things automatically updated. And yes, it's pretty aggressive in this compared to "classic" ubuntu server because the assumption is there may be no means of user interaction with the console on some appliances (think of a smart thermostat).
If you're looking for something closer to Raspbian (Lite specifically), then the
Ubuntu Server for Pi images are what you want.
Thank you for that clarification. I had misinterpreted the meaning of “core” and the meaning of “server.”
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:20 pm
by kerry_s
Thank you for that clarification. I had misinterpreted the meaning of “core” and the meaning of “server.”
don't give up yet, you might still want to rant after the server version to.
tips:
you need ethernet from the start, the first boot is very slow just wait it out, type "ubuntu" 3 times to get in & change the password.
if you install a desktop, you'll need to fix a couple of things, then it's all good.
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:51 pm
by waveform80
SDMLG wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:02 pm
waveform80 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:34 am
<snip>
If you're looking for something closer to Raspbian (Lite specifically), then the
Ubuntu Server for Pi images are what you want.
Thank you for that clarification. I had misinterpreted the meaning of “core” and the meaning of “server.”
Heh, marketing decisions. I don't really understand the naming either but I've become so accustomed to them while working on them that I don't notice it anymore.
Incidentally, even server is somewhat mis-named. The Ubuntu Server for Pi images aren't based on the PC server images at all (these have an installer which is expected to copy the OS from its medium to the installation medium - different model to Pi images). Instead they're based on our cloud images (the ones you'd get if you spun up an Ubuntu instance on AWS or Azure or <your-favourite-cloudy-service-here>). But I guess calling it Ubuntu Cloud for Pi would imply all sorts of things, so Ubuntu Server it is!
Re: It’s too bad Ubuntu make so many demands. It’s outta here!
Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 5:03 pm
by Giga_Pi
SDMLG wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:59 pm
Giga_Pi wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:21 am
To advice people against using ubuntu? Personally I don't like ubuntu for Pi, but for a different reason.
Or perhaps, the newest product of the troll factory?
I am deeply embarrassed but apparently I had turned into a troll on the day I posted this rant. I’m usually a lot more patient but was having a couple of bad days and was very frustrated.
I would be interested in what your reasons are for not liking Ubuntu for Pi.
Sorry for the insult...
I do seem to jump into arguments fairly quickly, so sorry about that.
Reasons:
1) It wouldn't support my HDMI display
2) When I tried to install just lubuntu desktop, I had three different desktops on top of that.
3) bad hardware acceleration