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Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am

So I'm running the x86 Debian distribution (I heard I shouldn't be calling it 'Rasbian for PC') and it's really laggy.
Specs are:
  • Eee PC ASUS R101D
  • CPU: Intel Atom N455 / 1.66 GHz
  • RAM: 1GB DDR3 SDRAM
  • Graphics: Intel GMA 3150
  • Storage: HDD, 227 GB
  • Running latest release of x86 Debian
I'm not a pro or anything when it comes to specs, but I think this is about the same as the Pi 3. Don't blame me if I'm wrong! :D
So my problem:
The CPU thingy at the bottom-right corner of the taskbar is literally always at more than 50 %. So when I open Chromium, RPi Config, or even the File Manager, you can guess what happens :? :The meter goes to 100%. So it really lags. Any help?
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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:14 am

Throw some more RAM in the machine if possible.

I’ve a Lenovo 120s with 4GB and it’s heaps better than 2 let alone 1.

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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:16 am

Your Atom N455 is a single core hyper threaded CPU, which means it has only 1 physical core, but can process 2 threads simultaneously (although slower than an equivalent CPU with 2 physical cores).

The Raspberry Pi3 has 4 physical cores, so while its core speed is lower, it can process more threads in parallel.

Which is faster would depend on the task. It's hard to make direct performance comparisons across different architectures, but I would guess that the Pi3 would be faster on multi core performance, while the Atom would be faster for single core stuff.

However, you shouldn't be at 50% CPU usage while the OS is idle, so something is fishy there.
Andyroo wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:14 am
Throw some more RAM in the machine if possible.
The OP's netbook tops out at 2GB, I believe (that was the limit for the early single core Atom).

We have an old ASUS EeePC netbook somewhere (GF's old computer). It's a bit older (N280 series), but I believe it has 2GB in it. I remember running Crunchbang Linux on it, and it performed pretty well. Crunchbang was a lightweight Debian fork.

Now I'm getting curious and want to look for it...

Anyway... bumping the RAM up and swapping the HDD for an SSD would certainly help. Silicon Power makes a 128GB SSD that's a decent performer, and very affordable ($22.99 on Amazon USA). It's in their A55 "Ace" SSD series. I have a 128GB and 256GB on a couple of Pi computers. Not on the performance level of a Samsung 860 EVO or Crucial MX500, but good for the money. RAM prices have been a bit crazy lately, but a 2GB SODIMM should be around the same price now ($20-$25).

Not sure if you'd want to spend $40-$50 upgrading an old Netbook, though... :?

Might want to try Bunsenlabs Linux or Neverware's CloudReady (Chromium OS). Or figure out what's chewing on your CPU in the background.
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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:44 am

PolarBear123 wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am
So I'm running the x86 Debian distribution (I heard I shouldn't be calling it 'Rasbian for PC') and it's really laggy.
Specs are:
  • Eee PC ASUS R101D
  • CPU: Intel Atom N455 / 1.66 GHz
  • RAM: 1GB DDR3 SDRAM
  • Graphics: Intel GMA 3150
  • Storage: HDD, 227 GB
  • Running latest release of x86 Debian
I'm not a pro or anything when it comes to specs, but I think this is about the same as the Pi 3. Don't blame me if I'm wrong! :D
So my problem:
The CPU thingy at the bottom-right corner of the taskbar is literally always at more than 50 %. So when I open Chromium, RPi Config, or even the File Manager, you can guess what happens :? :The meter goes to 100%. So it really lags. Any help?

Lubuntu runs OK on a similar specification machine, so you need to investigate why the CPU is at 50% minimal...
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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:34 pm

Yep, I'd rather not throw in some RAM because I have another computer, a really good one actually. So the Eee PC wouldn't be a replacement, just a fun little project.
Not sure if you'd want to spend $40-$50 upgrading an old Netbook, though...



So I will have to investigate what's going on there. Is there any way to do so?? (Yep, I'm a real noob)
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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:57 pm

Use HTOP to see what's using hot he cycles. It's hidden in the Raspberry menu, so you would need to add it in settings.
Or just type HTOP in a terminal window
I'm sure there are cleverer logging methods.

Similar to Task Manager in Windows.

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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:07 pm

PolarBear123 wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am
So I'm running the x86 Debian distribution (I heard I shouldn't be calling it 'Rasbian for PC')
Sure thing, the RPD for x86 is NOT Raspbian, but calling it 'x86 Debian' can be misleading, since some people may think you're referring to plain vanilla Debian rather than the RPD Debian. I prefer to call it "Debian PIXEL x86" since it states that it isn't Raspbian and rather Debian and it uses the PIXEL desktop.
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS desktop images for the Raspberry Pi 3.

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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:20 pm

code_exec wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:07 pm
PolarBear123 wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:41 am
So I'm running the x86 Debian distribution (I heard I shouldn't be calling it 'Rasbian for PC')
Sure thing, the RPD for x86 is NOT Raspbian, but calling it 'x86 Debian' can be misleading, since some people may think you're referring to plain vanilla Debian rather than the RPD Debian. I prefer to call it "Debian PIXEL x86" since it states that it isn't Raspbian and rather Debian and it uses the PIXEL desktop.

Muddy the waters is not helpful

That is so wrong, as PIXELdesktop was killed of 18 months ago, it is now:

""Debian Stretch with Raspberry Pi Desktop""

It is pure Debian with a suitable kernel for the Machine Architecture but 32bit Userland.

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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:23 pm

I have an Asus EeeBox with 2GB ram, & even when I put an SSD into it, it was still slow compared to my Acer AAO532 fitted with 2GB ram which has an Atom 450.

The PC version of the software isn't the fastest OS for these old machines - if you want to speed it up a bit, I'd suggest looking at Antix (Debian based), SliTaz or TinyCore. (Even Puppy Linux might be faster.)

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Re: Speed up x86 Debian on Eee PC

Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:45 pm

k-pi wrote:
Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:23 pm
I have an Asus EeeBox with 2GB ram, & even when I put an SSD into it, it was still slow compared to my Acer AAO532 fitted with 2GB ram which has an Atom 450.
The old ASUS Eee PC 1000HE we have with the Atom N280 was noticeably slower than my Acer 532H as well, even though the processors have the same speed (1.66GHz). If I remember correctly, the N450 had a faster bus and memory interface, and was also hyper-threaded (1 core, 2 threads), and that's what made the difference.

The N455 in the OP's netbook is basically the same as the N450, but it's compatible with DDR3 RAM (N450 was DDR2). So it should offer decent performance with a lightweight OS. More RAM and an SSD would help as well.
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