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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:16 pm

RaspLearner wrote:I know, fruit, I know. I made a webserver on my old Pi under raspbian.

But I wanted to see if the same is possible with win10 on Pi2(well, win 10 IoT, in this case).

It hasn't even to be IIS. :-p
So write one! It is not even that difficult. You just need some source code that you can compile. The complexity is your choice.

Here try this for starters

https://github.com/ms-iot/samples/blob/ ... undTask.cs
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:34 pm

ricl wrote:
RaspLearner wrote: I've noted this before, but the forum has the tendency to act as if everyone coming here is an IT-specialist. I can understand one expects expert devs when one is actually developing stuff for the raspberry and win IoT, but just to *run* it (or something on it), I find that mentality a bit disconcerting. Yes, the raspberry is a niche product meant to tinker with, but that still doesn't mean none of the people buying it can't be 'regular' folks.

I mean, with some of the links above, one get a list of API's that are supported and not supported, but to be frank; does that even say *anything* to a normal user? Even I have no idea what all the API's and dependencies are of all the progs I would like to try out. I find it a bit annoying one seems to expect to be some grand expert the moment one has bought a raspberry Pi. I would claim a regular user wouldn't even know what an API is to begin with. My IT knowledge is above average compared to regular Joe Does in the street, but it's limited nonetheless, and I have no qualms saying that some stuff I read, like for converting the FFU files to IMG files and trying it that way, is already pretty demanding for me to implement, unless I can get a clear tutorial - so I can't imagine how a regular Joe Doe without any IT knowledge must fare, then. I gave my old Pi to my nephew; I imagine, if the boy would come here, he wouldn't get much actual (as in 'de facto') help, even if people pointed him to a truckload of technical papers, helpful as that may have intended to be.

Just saying.

Anyway, wading through pages of IoT stuff and lists of API's don't really tell me all that much, but I take it the answer boils down to: "probably not", if it hasn't been specially built for the Pi. Maybe someone can answer this then: has someone yet developed/made/adapted a webserver (prog) yet, that can run on the raspberry Pi 2 with win10 IoT?
Hmm. The FAQ


7. Find out if the project I am thinking of has already been implemented (or maybe something similar to it anyway)

https://microsoft.hackster.io/en-US

provides ideas that your nephew (or anyone else) would likely to be very interested in (I would have thought).

All as completely worked out examples to replicate or improve.
I will be sure to point those projects out to him, since most of them seem interesting. Though for the moment he wants to make my old Pi into a pip boy (from Fallout 3). Ah, you know how kids are... :-)

For me, however, it's rather specific and more to do with the software-side of things. My first problem is, that ALL tutorials and explanations I've found so far - and contrary to the seemingly auto-expectancy of some, I've looked (as do others, no doubt) - handle the win IoT on the raspberry Pi 2 through a PC with win10 or win7 already on it. I have neither. That's why I was searching for help if someone knows a way, but let's face it: even if I read every last page on Windows 10 Core IoT FAQ (Unofficial), I wouldn't find it there, right? I've read the most relevant-sounding sections, but nothing new in that specific regard pops up, and I'm not going to wade through pages of irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with my problem.

And once I get it installed, I would like to try to run some webserver on it. I know it may not be suited for that, and I'm better of with installing linux or raspbian and put a there a webserver prog on, but that's not the point. My personal 'project' IS trying to install a webserver on Pi2 under win10 IoT. But I'm not a hardcore programmer, so unless someone already adapted a prog like that, or there is a way to make it work with a 'regular' webserver - if win10 IoT gets compatible enough, for instance, I would have to abandon, suspend, or proceed with these plans.

Neither of which is a problem, but I lack enough info as of yet to be sure either way.

The most intriguing I've encountered, is someone claiming the fact of converting FFU files to IMG files may allow things to work, since it's Microsoft’s FFU image files that require specific Windows file handling software. But is it a solution for my problem? Has anyone tried this before?

Any opinions on it?


edit: Wait... those are all projects that use win10 IoT? But he's got my OLD Pi, not the Pi2. So that won't work. But thnks anyway.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:40 pm

ricl wrote:
RaspLearner wrote:I know, fruit, I know. I made a webserver on my old Pi under raspbian.

But I wanted to see if the same is possible with win10 on Pi2(well, win 10 IoT, in this case).

It hasn't even to be IIS. :-p
So write one! It is not even that difficult. You just need some source code that you can compile. The complexity is your choice.

Here try this for starters

https://github.com/ms-iot/samples/blob/ ... undTask.cs
Some very low level stuff not withstanding, I'm not much of a programmer myself. I doubt I can get anywhere functional with it within a reasonable timeframe.

I'm prepared to pay 100 bucks if you do it, though. :-p

And then I'll test it out. :-)

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:43 pm

RaspLearner wrote:I've looked (as do others, no doubt) - handle the win IoT on the raspberry Pi 2 through a PC with win10 or win7 already on it. I have neither. That's why I was searching for help if someone knows a way, but let's face it: even if I read every last page on Windows 10 Core IoT FAQ (Unofficial), I wouldn't find it there, right? I've read the most relevant-sounding sections, but nothing new in that specific regard pops up, and I'm not going to wade through pages of irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with my problem.

And once I get it installed, I would like to try to run some webserver on it. I know it may not be suited for that, and I'm better of with installing linux or raspbian and put a there a webserver prog on, but that's not the point. My personal 'project' IS trying to install a webserver on Pi2 under win10 IoT. But I'm not a hardcore programmer, so unless someone already adapted a prog like that, or there is a way to make it work with a 'regular' webserver - if win10 IoT gets compatible enough, for instance, I would have to abandon, suspend, or proceed with these plans.

Neither of which is a problem, but I lack enough info as of yet to be sure either way.

The most intriguing I've encountered, is someone claiming the fact of converting FFU files to IMG files may allow things to work, since it's Microsoft’s FFU image files that require specific Windows file handling software. But is it a solution for my problem? Has anyone tried this before?

Any opinions on it?
Microsoft only supports development for the IoT PI under Windows 10 (and passably under 8.1 and below). Nothing else I aware of works.

Good luck with ferreting around in the FFU. You already have full Admin privileges on the Pi (not System privileges though) so I'm not sure what you want to do.

If you want to replace the OS with one of your choosing, Good Luck. OS design is non trivial.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:50 pm

RaspLearner wrote: Some very low level stuff not withstanding, I'm not much of a programmer myself. I doubt I can get anywhere functional with it within a reasonable timeframe.

I'm prepared to pay 100 bucks if you do it, though. :-p

And then I'll test it out. :-)
Hmm. If want want a simple REST Web server responding with "Hello World" how would you like it delivered?
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:53 pm

Joe Schmoe wrote:I think the only reason to use this "Wino" (Windows in name only) OS thingie is if you are the kind of person who is totally in love with all things Microsoft. These people exist.

There are some people who would drive a go-cart if it had a nameplate on it that said "Cadillac". It is the same with some people and Apple. It is the same with some (other) people and Microsoft.

Hmm. Actually, I don't think that's true, at least not always.

I myself am not all that much in love with Windows, though I do use it. Not that I have that 'anti-establishment' feeling anymore as when I was a student neither. It's just as it is: windows is sometimes pretty good, and sometimes not.

In fact, I used my former Pi with raspbian, and some other non-windows stuff, I had no complaints about it.

But it's just, after years of that, I want to try to use something completely else on a Pi, and this Pi2 allows you to do so. Thus, it's more out of love to try something different. That said, I know my own limitations. If it really doesn't succeed, or it does but it starts to bore me, I'll try something new with it.

So, I really don't care much about Windows on itself, but I never installed a webserver on a win IoT before, so that's what I want to try.

I know: it's not completely rational. But then again, does it have to be, as a personal hobby? :-)
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:55 pm

ricl wrote:
RaspLearner wrote: Some very low level stuff not withstanding, I'm not much of a programmer myself. I doubt I can get anywhere functional with it within a reasonable timeframe.

I'm prepared to pay 100 bucks if you do it, though. :-p

And then I'll test it out. :-)
Hmm. If want want a simple REST Web server responding with "Hello World" how would you like it delivered?
What would it take for something like lighttpd (or equivalent)?

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:55 pm

viewtopic.php?f=105&t=124095

Windows Vista will next April be change to Security Update Support, MS feel it is end of life.

In my experience machines with Windows 7 / 8.1pre-installed can be updated free to Windows 10, so it is not surprising that MS feel that offering IoT compatibilty for pre Windows 10 is not required. So that covers machines up to 5 years old.

Anyway for £100.00 can buy a Windows NetTop PC: http://www.ebuyer.com/718137-asus-eeebo ... 1033-b013e


So you will need a W10 machine to complete your " Web Server " Project ;)
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:13 pm

fruitoftheloom wrote:viewtopic.php?f=105&t=124095

Windows Vista will next April be change to Security Update Support, MS feel it is end of life.

In my experience machines with Windows 7 / 8.1pre-installed can be updated free to Windows 10, so it is not surprising that MS feel that offering IoT compatibilty for pre Windows 10 is not required. So that covers machines up to 5 years old.

Anyway for £100.00 can buy a Windows NetTop PC: Microsoft’s FFU image files require specific Windows file handling software


So you will need a W10 machine to complete your " Web Server " Project ;)
Yeah, I've seen those. I looked into zotacs and Liva and others. Only...how should I put this...there's...nothing really to it, is there? I mean, it's more or less just regular installing a regular OS on a small, but fairly standard HW... nothing different from some of those I run and ran in the past with intel atoms, really. But, well, I might, after I've done with the Pi2. I can always transfer it to my nephew, after all. :-)

Though, your other link was more interesting (and I didn't know about it neither). Maybe I'll go for that next.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:49 pm

RaspLearner wrote:What would it take for something like lighttpd (or equivalent)?
29: Can I port an existing non Visual Studio project that I have written into Windows 10 Core IoT

Possibly.

Same answer as FAQ 28

28: Can I port an existing Visual Studio project that I have written into Windows 10 Core IoT

Maybe.

The first step is to create a new project of the appropriate type (see FAQ 27) and then add any source files you need into that

If your code uses any non UWP code or accesses any of the Unsupported APIs (see FAQ 4) then it will not work
If coding in C/C++Win32 then change the source code where required, i.e. no fopen(...) only fopen_s(...), etc.

For Win32 APIs see
https://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/ ... ngTool.htm

If your code requires external libraries that are not (yet?) supported on IoT (see FAQ 4) then it will not work

Otherwise it should/may just run! Hit Build & Run and find out
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Wed Nov 04, 2015 1:13 am

markrad_msft wrote:You do not need to install Windows 10 in order to write your Win10 IoT SD for RPi. See this thread that explains how to do it from Windows 7.

viewtopic.php?f=105&t=109160

Other than burning the SD card, everything else is possible from a VM running Windows 10. In fact it may even be possible to burn the SD card from a VM but your can't do that with Hyper-V.
I bought the samsung 32 gig that is recommended on that page, I cannot get it to boot

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