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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 2:43 pm

friutoftheloom,
Microsoft have released and have an End Goal.
You make that sound so menacing :)

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 5:53 pm

Heater wrote:What ame said, "have nothing in the IoT sphere", as fas as I can tell is not hyperbole, it is fact.
That you are posting in the "Windows 10 for IoT" forum suggests it is not fact.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 6:27 pm

Hippy,
That you are posting in the "Windows 10 for IoT" forum suggests it is not fact.
Admittedly it's a "suggestion".

However this "Windows 10 for IoT" for does not actually have any windows. Therefore it's not clear to me why one should take the rest of the name any more seriously.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 7:17 pm

SEMANTICS :roll:
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 7:22 pm

fruitoftheloom,
SEMANTICS
I agree. Call me old fashioned but words have meanings and it's helpful to use them accordingly. Otherwise you are just confusing people. As we have seen here.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sun May 31, 2015 7:34 pm

Al the remaining posts are jut about remaining on the right side of the jamesh delete button. So thanks for that. Just remember, my finger is primed and ready to go.

As for MS not having anything in IoT, well, they are trying to get something in to IoT, that's presumably the whole point of Win10IoTPi (there's an acronym). I don't see anything wrong with them at least making the effort.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:06 pm

Oh James, you are such a party pooper. We were having such a good time chatting here.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:05 pm

Image is now available on Windows IoT page.
http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/w ... tupRPI.htm

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:17 pm

kimbrasil wrote:Image is now available on Windows IoT page.
http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/w ... tupRPI.htm
:?:
I don't see any image. All I see is the same utility that was available before, no img file.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:25 pm

kimbrasil wrote:Image is now available on Windows IoT page.
http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/w ... tupRPI.htm
All you get on that page and afaiac have always got on that page:

""Download the package “Windows 10 IoT Core Insider Preview Image for Raspberry Pi 2” from Microsoft Connect.""

This takes you to the Microsoft Sign in Page..............

There is no direct download as Microsoft wants the User to 'Agree to License' ;)
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:42 am

I think it is better if you choose windows 7 or windows 8. They work very well and cheaper than windows 10. The important things is the usage not the technology trend

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:26 am

ethanmagestore wrote:I think it is better if you choose windows 7 or windows 8. They work vell and cheaper than windows 10. The important things is the usage not the technology trend
Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for most users of Windows 7 SP1 & 8.1 Desktop from 31st July 2015
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:03 pm

ame wrote:
OSIAS wrote:So i want to follow up and complain now that i got it running.

Windows 10 on the rpi is bs. There is no OS, there isnt even really a command prompt. It a remote shell that allows you to develop on it. So this whole big ooh look windows 10 will run on it is a straight up lie. Completly misleading. Its not a windows desktop, i wouldnt even label it a dos platform its all remote, i dunno why you would even do this. Its not windows 10 like you would have on the arm surface or standard pc.

Either way big disapointment.
Gasp! Say it isn't so! Who could possibly have predicted this?
Lol. But, seriously, as someone else not used to this win IoT stuff, how exactly am I to understand its exact workings and what can I expect? I mean, I know it's got no GUI, but is it possible to at least install normal programs (win executables) on it, even if it's through powershell or something? Or not? Can one run *anything* on it that would normally run on win 10 (or lower)?

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:10 pm

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ame wrote:
OSIAS wrote:So i want to follow up and complain now that i got it running.

Windows 10 on the rpi is bs. There is no OS, there isnt even really a command prompt. It a remote shell that allows you to develop on it. So this whole big ooh look windows 10 will run on it is a straight up lie. Completly misleading. Its not a windows desktop, i wouldnt even label it a dos platform its all remote, i dunno why you would even do this. Its not windows 10 like you would have on the arm surface or standard pc.

Either way big disapointment.
Gasp! Say it isn't so! Who could possibly have predicted this?
Lol. But, seriously, as someone else not used to this win IoT stuff, how exactly am I to understand its exact workings and what can I expect? I mean, I know it's got no GUI, but is it possible to at least install normal programs (win executables) on it, even if it's through powershell or something? Or not? Can one run *anything* on it that would normally run on win 10 (or lower)?
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=123945

It is no way ccomparable to Windows 10 x86 Desktop or Windows 10 ARM Phone, it is aimed at makers / developers.....
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:11 pm

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OSIAS wrote:So I see that Windows 10 IoT is out but I also see its circus to get it installed and running on an PI. So I have to have Windows 10 on my main PC before I can test it on a Pi. Seems sorta silly.

Has no one in the community not already gone through this process and then imaged there flash card and made it available for download? Like what others have done for other OS images? Is there something that will not allow us to do that?

I just cant put Windows 10 on one of my other machines, you could say I am lazy yes but I just refuse to do it.

Anyhow point me to a link to just grab a DL that I can just image on my SD card?

Well I have another question with this as well, I think I know the answer for. Just because we got windows running on this ARM Proc Pi doesn't mean it will run all windows programs. They will all have to be re-compiled for ARM processors as well correct?

Thanks in advance
What will not allow you to do it is the sheer laziness on your part. You ask others to do the work for you, including your research and reading.

There are more than a few threads here already that provide details and approaches to do this simple task. As part of learning, you need to read and comprehend first.

Well, his question was not all *that* unreasonable. As I remember when the first gen Pi came out, there were already image-ready SD cards (or the possibility of easy flashing it) available soon after. And it was pretty popular.

The main reason this hasn't happened yet, is because - as another poster already pointed out - licensing issues.

But that as an aside, because I rather wanted to ask for those links to those threads you mentioned. At least, if they handle this specific case: to install win 10 IoT on the pi2, but with a PC running Vista and NOT win10 (nor win 7). Nor Do I have win7 or 10 in possession to install on a VM.

Is there ANY way to do it?

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:12 pm

RaspLearner wrote: Can one run *anything* on it that would normally run on win 10 (or lower)?
You can ONLY run stuff on your Win10IoT RPi that has been built specially for your Raspberry Pi. It WILL NOT run any regular windows programs (some C# stuff excepted).

Go away and read more of the Microsoft published documents on what the RPi CAN do. Starting with Ricl's exceedingly detailed sticky thread - "The Unofficial FAQ". viewtopic.php?f=105&t=123945

Full scale development needs a regular Windows 10 system running on an X86_64. You may be able to install some of the pieces on Win7, Win8 or Win8.1 to get started.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 2:22 pm

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:54 pm

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RaspLearner wrote: Can one run *anything* on it that would normally run on win 10 (or lower)?
You can ONLY run stuff on your Win10IoT RPi that has been built specially for your Raspberry Pi. It WILL NOT run any regular windows programs (some C# stuff excepted).

Go away and read more of the Microsoft published documents on what the RPi CAN do. Starting with Ricl's exceedingly detailed sticky thread - "The Unofficial FAQ". viewtopic.php?f=105&t=123945

Full scale development needs a regular Windows 10 system running on an X86_64. You may be able to install some of the pieces on Win7, Win8 or Win8.1 to get started.
Thnks for the answer, though it could have done without the 'go away'.

I've noted this before, but the forum has the tendency to act as if everyone coming here is an IT-specialist. I can understand one expects expert devs when one is actually developing stuff for the raspberry and win IoT, but just to *run* it (or something on it), I find that mentality a bit disconcerting. Yes, the raspberry is a niche product meant to tinker with, but that still doesn't mean none of the people buying it can't be 'regular' folks.

I mean, with some of the links above, one get a list of API's that are supported and not supported, but to be frank; does that even say *anything* to a normal user? Even I have no idea what all the API's and dependencies are of all the progs I would like to try out. I find it a bit annoying one seems to expect to be some grand expert the moment one has bought a raspberry Pi. I would claim a regular user wouldn't even know what an API is to begin with. My IT knowledge is above average compared to regular Joe Does in the street, but it's limited nonetheless, and I have no qualms saying that some stuff I read, like for converting the FFU files to IMG files and trying it that way, is already pretty demanding for me to implement, unless I can get a clear tutorial - so I can't imagine how a regular Joe Doe without any IT knowledge must fare, then. I gave my old Pi to my nephew; I imagine, if the boy would come here, he wouldn't get much actual (as in 'de facto') help, even if people pointed him to a truckload of technical papers, helpful as that may have intended to be.

Just saying.

Anyway, wading through pages of IoT stuff and lists of API's don't really tell me all that much, but I take it the answer boils down to: "probably not", if it hasn't been specially built for the Pi. Maybe someone can answer this then: has someone yet developed/made/adapted a webserver (prog) yet, that can run on the raspberry Pi 2 with win10 IoT?

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:56 pm

So you still haven't bothered to read the FAQs thread.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:59 pm

Actually, that's pretty interesting. Thnks for the link, fruit.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:01 pm

RaspLearner wrote:
DougieLawson wrote:
RaspLearner wrote: Can one run *anything* on it that would normally run on win 10 (or lower)?
You can ONLY run stuff on your Win10IoT RPi that has been built specially for your Raspberry Pi. It WILL NOT run any regular windows programs (some C# stuff excepted).

Go away and read more of the Microsoft published documents on what the RPi CAN do. Starting with Ricl's exceedingly detailed sticky thread - "The Unofficial FAQ". viewtopic.php?f=105&t=123945

Full scale development needs a regular Windows 10 system running on an X86_64. You may be able to install some of the pieces on Win7, Win8 or Win8.1 to get started.
Thnks for the answer, though it could have done without the 'go away'.

I've noted this before, but the forum has the tendency to act as if everyone coming here is an IT-specialist. I can understand one expects expert devs when one is actually developing stuff for the raspberry and win IoT, but just to *run* it (or something on it), I find that mentality a bit disconcerting. Yes, the raspberry is a niche product meant to tinker with, but that still doesn't mean none of the people buying it can't be 'regular' folks.

I mean, with some of the links above, one get a list of API's that are supported and not supported, but to be frank; does that even say *anything* to a normal user? Even I have no idea what all the API's and dependencies are of all the progs I would like to try out. I find it a bit annoying one seems to expect to be some grand expert the moment one has bought a raspberry Pi. I would claim a regular user wouldn't even know what an API is to begin with. My IT knowledge is above average compared to regular Joe Does in the street, but it's limited nonetheless, and I have no qualms saying that some stuff I read, like for converting the FFU files to IMG files and trying it that way, is already pretty demanding for me to implement, unless I can get a clear tutorial - so I can't imagine how a regular Joe Doe without any IT knowledge must fare, then. I gave my old Pi to my nephew; I imagine, if the boy would come here, he wouldn't get much actual (as in 'de facto') help, even if people pointed him to a truckload of technical papers, helpful as that may have intended to be.

Just saying.

Anyway, wading through pages of IoT stuff and lists of API's don't really tell me all that much, but I take it the answer boils down to: "probably not", if it hasn't been specially built for the Pi. Maybe someone can answer this then: has someone yet developed/made/adapted a webserver (prog) yet, that can run on the raspberry Pi 2 with win10 IoT?
You can use Linux for Webserver, Windows 10 IoT Core does not fit that role :)
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:02 pm

DougieLawson wrote:So you still haven't bothered to read the FAQs thread.
So you didn't understand a thing I was saying.

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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:10 pm

I know, fruit, I know. I made a webserver on my old Pi under raspbian.

But I wanted to see if the same is possible with win10 on Pi2(well, win 10 IoT, in this case).

It hasn't even to be IIS. :-p
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:11 pm

RaspLearner wrote: I've noted this before, but the forum has the tendency to act as if everyone coming here is an IT-specialist. I can understand one expects expert devs when one is actually developing stuff for the raspberry and win IoT, but just to *run* it (or something on it), I find that mentality a bit disconcerting. Yes, the raspberry is a niche product meant to tinker with, but that still doesn't mean none of the people buying it can't be 'regular' folks.

I mean, with some of the links above, one get a list of API's that are supported and not supported, but to be frank; does that even say *anything* to a normal user? Even I have no idea what all the API's and dependencies are of all the progs I would like to try out. I find it a bit annoying one seems to expect to be some grand expert the moment one has bought a raspberry Pi. I would claim a regular user wouldn't even know what an API is to begin with. My IT knowledge is above average compared to regular Joe Does in the street, but it's limited nonetheless, and I have no qualms saying that some stuff I read, like for converting the FFU files to IMG files and trying it that way, is already pretty demanding for me to implement, unless I can get a clear tutorial - so I can't imagine how a regular Joe Doe without any IT knowledge must fare, then. I gave my old Pi to my nephew; I imagine, if the boy would come here, he wouldn't get much actual (as in 'de facto') help, even if people pointed him to a truckload of technical papers, helpful as that may have intended to be.

Just saying.

Anyway, wading through pages of IoT stuff and lists of API's don't really tell me all that much, but I take it the answer boils down to: "probably not", if it hasn't been specially built for the Pi. Maybe someone can answer this then: has someone yet developed/made/adapted a webserver (prog) yet, that can run on the raspberry Pi 2 with win10 IoT?
Hmm. The FAQ


7. Find out if the project I am thinking of has already been implemented (or maybe something similar to it anyway)

https://microsoft.hackster.io/en-US

provides ideas that your nephew (or anyone else) would likely to be very interested in (I would have thought).

All as completely worked out examples to replicate or improve.
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Re: Windows 10 SD Image download

Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:13 pm

I think the only reason to use this "Wino" (Windows in name only) OS thingie is if you are the kind of person who is totally in love with all things Microsoft. These people exist.

There are some people who would drive a go-cart if it had a nameplate on it that said "Cadillac". It is the same with some people and Apple. It is the same with some (other) people and Microsoft.
And some folks need to stop being fanboys and see the forest behind the trees.

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