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by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:25 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 17, 2011, 11:07<br/> I made a post suggesting that a free OS project might be more inclined to make an effort if the result meets their published goals of furthering free software<br/> 1- you did not make *A* post, you made about 20. We heard you the first time...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:42 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<r>Quote from jamesh on September 17, 2011, 08:40<br/> I'm not flaming people who wish the Raspi didn't have prop drivers. *I* wish is had non-prop drivers. I'm not flaming myself, I'm am flaming those who continue to bring up the subject, even though it has been explained many times why it has to b...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:27 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<r>Quote from abishur on September 16, 2011, 20:12<br/> Is there anyone here who is planning on grabbing one of the older versions of Ubuntu that supports ARM6 because they're that big of Ubuntu fans, or is everyone planning on swapping to another distro that still supports ARM6 with its most curren...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:17 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<t>There seems to be some misinformation flying around here. You're talking as if the R-pi team was talking to Ubuntu about supporting the ARM6 so that the r-pi could use it, then the Ubuntu team was disinclined to support ARM6 at all because of a single closed source item on a random board that isn...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:51 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<t>Quote from jamesh on September 16, 2011, 16:42<br/> Interesting. Discourtesy. Hmm. How about someone refusing to accept what they have been told a multitude of times. Is that discourteous?<br/> <br/> I'm not sure that that would necessarily fit the definition. I can see how willful obstinance can...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:17 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<t>Quote from jamesh on September 16, 2011, 16:05<br/> Quote from SpaceHobo on September 16, 2011, 10:27<br/> Perhaps if the Raspberry Pi worked completely and properly with all free software, this effort would have more traction.<br/> <br/> What effort are you talking about? Are you still whinging ...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:15 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

<t>Quote from abishur on September 16, 2011, 15:48<br/> You forgot the <flame> </flame> flags there SpaceHobo.<br/> <br/> I am disappointed that people see this point as incendiary, as it seems perfectly obvious to me. The need for proprietary software to use a Raspberry Pi is not a flame: it is an ...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:27 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Ubuntu
Replies: 57
Views: 11593

Re: Ubuntu

Perhaps if the Raspberry Pi worked completely and properly with all free software, this effort would have more traction.
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:21 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from hippy on September 10, 2011, 22:19<br/> Quote from SpaceHobo on September 10, 2011, 10:33<br/> I find your definition of "pragmatic" confusing, and perhaps you could elaborate here. In this thread I and others have exhibited clear pragmatic reasons why the proprietary video driver in t...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:19 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<r>Quote from DanielSilva on September 10, 2011, 22:13<br/> Quote from SpaceHobo on September 10, 2011, 16:38<br/> Do you have the wrong thread? You seem to be addressing points made by no one who has participated in this discussion thus far. <br/> <br/> Ahh chucks then, i'll go there and cry at the...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:38 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from DanielSilva on September 10, 2011, 13:57<br/> Free should be that, free to do what you want as long as it's legally viable. Not free as in "you're free to do whatever we think you should do" and this insistence on having to make everything under the sun "open source" even when it doesn...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:11 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 10, 2011, 11:37<br/> @hobo<br/> 1- "the firmware is an API that the driver can code to". Same as "the driver is an API than the OS can code to" maybe ? The decision on what code goes where is arbitrary, a driver can write to a chip's registers, and firmware can...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:24 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from Emanuele on September 10, 2011, 11:07<br/> Quote from SpaceHobo on September 10, 2011, 10:59<br/> Do you really think that the Linux kernel development community will go to the trouble of maintaining an out-of-date ABI for each piece of hardware that lacks free drivers?<br/> <br/> If t...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:59 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from Emanuele on September 10, 2011, 10:49<br/> @SpaceHobo: To be honest, I've skipped most of the posts regarding these issues, so I'm not sure if it's already been said. I'm sure that's not what you mean when you say that<br/> <br/> <br/> the proprietary video driver in the OS is problema...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:56 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 10, 2011, 10:39<br/> - Re: firmware vs driver, there's nothing in this thread about what makes one different from the other, actually there's an argument at the beginning about the firmware needing to be open too for the exact same reasons the driver should be,...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:33 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from hippy on September 10, 2011, 04:14<br/> Quote from SpaceHobo on September 9, 2011, 22:46<br/> Oh dear. This is highly disappointing. We can only use this device if we accept proprietary drivers? I fail to see how this would meet your goals for education. It seems counter-productive.<br...
by SpaceHobo
Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:25 am
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 10, 2011, 00:33<br/> Imagine the driver is firmware, if that's all that's required to make you happy. that distinction between the two is purely random.<br/> <br/> Perhaps if you read more of this thread, you will understand the pragmatic reasons why I do not c...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:56 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<r>Quote from liz on September 9, 2011, 23:27<br/> You do realise that what you're saying skips very close to being defamatory, don't you? It's *especially* galling given that none of us takes any salary or other profit; we are genuinely doing this because we want to do a good thing and democratise ...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:42 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 9, 2011, 23:32<br/> " I was specifically giving the firmware a pass and focusing on the software in the OS itself, because that is where the dependencies lie for OS maintenance".<br/> How so ?<br/> <br/> Firmware blobs have become a fact of life in the mainline...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:17 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from obarthelemy on September 9, 2011, 23:08<br/> - Or are you implying that open source snobs better look elsewhere ? You're right ! And please don't let the door hit you on your way out.(btw, aren't your computer BIOS and CPU proprietary ? and you're using it ? you'll get cooties !).<br/>...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:12 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from liz on September 9, 2011, 22:58<br/> There's a really unfortunate tension between openness (in hardware) and price. We just can't produce the Raspberry Pi for the price it needs to be to get to the people we need it to get to with an open SoC that does what we need it to (because such ...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:56 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from willjcroz on September 1, 2011, 17:51<br/> As things stand at some point in not so distant the future some kid is going to try upgrading her Raspberry Pi to the latest Ubuntu (or whatever distro) release and find that their GPU support is broken because some ABI changed and Broadcom or...
by SpaceHobo
Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:46 pm
Forum: General discussion
Topic: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC
Replies: 196
Views: 38934

Re: Broadcom BCM2835 SoC

<t>Quote from eben on August 1, 2011, 23:19<br/> The GPU interface is via a closed-source userland module, which communicates via a proprietary (but GPL'd) stream interface in the kernel to a RISC core on the GPU side. No AES coprocessor I'm afraid; wouldn't want RP to be a munition, would we?<br/> ...

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