New Raspbian release, and NOOBS v1.3 goes gold

Update: Rob has now added a “NOOBS Lite” option to the downloads page. NOOBS Lite is a minimal 20MB version of NOOBS with no local OS images; images are downloaded from our repository at install time.

Alex has produced a new Raspbian release, which integrates a number of recent improvements. Along with kernel and firmware updates, highlights include:

  • Sonic Pi is preinstalled so you can jump right in to learning to program while creating your own music.
  • Significant performance improvements to Scratch thanks to Tim Rowledge and Ben Avison.
  • A build of PyPy 2.1 is now included to allow you to try out this high performance Python JIT compiler. See here and here for some background on our work on PyPy.
  • Python libraries required for interfacing with Pi-Face are preinstalled. Once you enable the SPI kernel module in raspi-config you can leap right in.
  • The Oracle JDK is preinstalled – see yesterday’s announcement.

Due to the addition of Java, the standalone SD card image now requires at least a 4GB SD card, as with 2GB there’s not enough free space left to be useful. The image itself is sized at 3GB to reduce the time it takes to dd it.

But that’s not all!

Following last week’s successful beta test, NOOBS v1.3 has also been released. This is a major upgrade from v1.2, and realizes many of our ambitions for the system. Highlights include:

  • The ability to install multiple OSes on a single card.
  • Support for network installation of OSes from our repository.
  • Multiple “flavours” of Raspbian, including the ability to boot directly into Scratch.
  • Improved integration of language, keyboard and display settings between NOOBS and guest operating systems.

See the beta test announcement for an exhaustive feature breakdown. Thanks to Rob, Floris and Gordon for putting this release together, to Liam and Pete at Mythic Beasts for the recent comprehensive overhaul of our image hosting infrastructure, and of course to the 2,000 participants in the beta test program.

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Excellent update! Thank you so much for all your hard work! One question, will rpi-update be enough to integrate these improvements, or do I have to download a new copy?

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rpi-update upgrades the firmware and apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades the packages. So i think it’s best to run both

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You need to download and install to get NOOBS 1.3

But the raspbian updates should be available using apt-get update/upgrade

Gordon

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Note that the NOOBS releases are specifically non-upgradeable. The intention is that these are tested sufficiently that it is simply a case of using whichever version is the latest release when you are setting up a new SD card.

Making NOOBS upgradeable would involve writing to the recovery partition which introduces the possibility of the SD card becoming corrupted (which would obviously be a bad thing when NOOBS is designed to be as stable as possible).

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I need wifi support no port left on my router

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It’s very challenging to make that work well because there are so many wireless adapters out there, and requires a lot of features (network browser and lord knows what else), so it’s not implemented at the moment, although we will probably attack it at some point in the future – we recommend you download the full version.

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Whats do you mean by full version I can move my pi from my room as though its in side of a portable dvd player all pluged in to usb port its kinda hard.

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Your comment has no context, it would be a better idea to look in the forums for similar issues, or ask a question in there if you can’t find a relevant one.

I believe Liz was referring to the standard raspbian OS.

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You can either download a 20MB installation of NOOBS which you then need network access to install Raspbian / RaspBMC / OpenElec

Or you can download the full 1Gb image to the SDcard which contains all the OSes already. Therefore once installed onto your sdcard you don’t need further network access

Gordon

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Congrats on the full release!

Two minor problems with the downloads page:
a) It only links to the “full NOOBS”, there’s no link to the “lite NOOBS”
b) could you add the SHA-1 Checksum for the NOOBS image(s)?

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We’re currently having some issues with the automated deployment scripts used to generate /downloads which is why NOOBS lite is not yet listed and the SHA1-sum is missing. Hopefully this should be fixed within the next 24 hours.

In the meantime you can download the ‘full’ v1.3 version just as you previously would have done with v1.2.1 from /downloads.

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So does this mean that we are one more step closer to Wayland/Weston for X as a standard desktop for Raspi?

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Yes it’s a step closer, you should be able to play around a little more…

To get to the final Wayland GUI we’ve still got a lot of work to do, but we’re getting there! Expect regular updates over the next year!

Gordon

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please please help i cant see anything now that its imaged raspbain and raspbmc nothing happens im using composite ive tried pressing 3 and 4 and two diffrent displays

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i can get to noobs main boot menu but not raspbmc or rasibain

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If you could post a more thorough and accurate description of both the steps you’ve taken and the resulting issue to the forums then we will try to help.

I would also advise re-reading the documentation for NOOBS first to see if that contains a solution to your problem.

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Are you using a 2GB SD, I don’t know if that’s relevant, but I had the same problem with a 2GB SD.

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Might be a good idea to put instructions on how to update into the post. I know some people have trouble. :)

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These are the package names that AFAIK included in the new release.

pypy-upstream-dev
pypy-upstream-doc
python-pifacecommon
python3-pifacedigitalio
python3-pifacedigital-scratch-handler
python3-pifacedigital-emulator
oracle-java7-jdk
python-pifacedigitalio
python3-pifacecommon
sonic-pi

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Could you please update torrent tracker downloads.raspberrypi.org:6969/announce for NOOBS_v1_3.zip? It fails with the message “Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker” now. Thanks.

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This should now be fixed.

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Sorry, Rob, but it is still giving that error. The lite version announces okay though.

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Thanks for letting us know. We’re looking into it (again).

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Finally fixed. Thanks.

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Looks like you got to the root of the issue some time in the past 24 hours, since it works correctly now.

Thanks Rob!

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Same here, I’ve re-downloaded NOOBS_v1_3.zip.torrent (it is the same as before). Yet NOOBS_lite_v1_3.zip.torrent gets announced just fine.

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Awesome…. Thanks Alex!

The Raspberry Pi Guy

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Thx for this hard work.
This Version of NOOBS makes raspberry more usable for the general public.

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I’m pleased that you think so – it was certainly our intention when designing it!

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Thanks for this!! I did the following successfully: sudo apt-get update, sudo rpi-update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. Now my uvcvideo webcam no longer works with motion. Nothing new in /var/log/kern.log. Any ideas where I can get some help? Thanks!

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Good news! My uvcvideo webcam works fine with motion on a fresh install of the up-to-date raspian.

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just wondering, if NOOBS will be able (maybe in the future) to install OSes to an external USB SDD/HDD, so, that NOOBS boot menu on te SD card direct the boot up the OS on the USB device.
but for that, NOOBS must be able to keep other partitions untouched – i don’t think people will be very happy, when NOOBS destroy all partitons on the UBS device ;)

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Yep,

We’d accept a pull request if you write the code and made it just work with no user intervention…

Gordon

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Great news on Rasbian and NOOBS fronts!
Has the RiscOS image been updated on NOOBS final?

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Unfortunately not. We approached the RISC OS team about this but unfortunately they were unable to provide an updated image at this time. It’s really up to them as to which release we ship.

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1.3 looks good but can you put some clear instructions / guidelines [ on the download page maybe -not buried in the Forum] for those of people with systems bases on 1.2 and do not want to start from a clean installation again. I know a number of the new features will not be available, but I am guessing some will available via rpi-update, however this is not exactly clear….

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Hi David,

NOOBS is not upgradeable so those on 1.2.1 will not be able to gain the new features.

All Raspbian updates are available through apt-get. Note that rpi-update is only for those helping test bleeding edge kernel changes – its not the right way to get the latest Raspbian release and not recommended unless Dom or other has advised it.

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Also note, NOOBS will _never_ be able to self update, there are only two rules with noobs:

1) Noobs never writes to the first FAT partition
2) FAT partition the first, NOOBS no writee…

I realise that’s technically one rule but we thought it so important we said it twice (Red Dwarf not Fight Club)

Basically NOOBS was developed to help people who had so much trouble with SD card corruption that we make sure it is not possible (because we cannot corrupt a partition that we never write to!)

Gordon

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You forgot the rules exceptions list:

a) there are no exceptions to these rules.
b) for all other exceptions, see exception (a)

:)

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I’m confused RISC OS RC11 (26th July) on your site at:http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/riscos/images/riscos-2013-07-10-RC11/ is quite a bit later than in NOOBS 1.3!

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We need a custom build of RISC OS for NOOBS due to issues with its filesystem not understanding the concept of partitions.

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Any chance of a stripped down official version being offered?
For a lot of users with 2gb or smaller cards its much easier to add content they need as they go along then have to use a 4gb remove extra content, shrink, export then re-image the smaller card.

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Yes, I’m producing an official headless Raspbian that should go up within the week.

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Thanks, that is very usefull.

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Alex,
That is rather awesome! Thanks!

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Hi Alex,
are there any news on this?

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This is an old thread, so you may not get an answer here: Alex is very active on our forums though, so if you ask there he should be able to help you out.

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Every time I visit, something new and creative is revealed. I never cease to be amazed by the Raspberry Pi community.

Thanks!

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“2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian” still the causes the “Stella – sound delay” issue.
the last good working image is “2013-02-09-wheezy-raspbian”.
i just installed all images from the most recent back to that, where the sound of stella (3.7.2-1) is working without a delay…
is there a way to get back the working sound for stella on the most recend image?

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it is fixed!!!
the only thing you have to do, is updating your firmware with:

sudo rpi-update
sudo reboot

that’s all… :D

@popcornmix: thank you!

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“2013-09-25-wheezy-raspbian” seems to have some problems with taking the NOOBS language settings at the initial boot of rapbian. on the screen is are two error messages to see… unfortunately the screen i visible too short, because the raspi-config clears all the boot messages from screen.
is there a logfile somewhere of that output?
i was looking on /var/logs but in none of these files is such an error logged.
i try to make a photo of that messages to write it down to have the exact spelling of the full errors.

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PS.: timezone and keyboard settings where taken correctly from NOOBS.
only the language [L] not – it is still at location: “en_UK.UTF-8 UTF-8”

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here is the full message(s):
“[] Applying config from /boot/os_config.json (if it exists):Setting flavour to Raspbian based on os_config.json from NOOBS. May take a while Unrecognized flavour. Ignoring
Language ‘us’ not handled currently. Run sudo raspi-config to set upSetting keyboard layout to de based on os_config.json from NOOBS. May take a while”

something was going wrong with the language “us” in the messages.

the setting in NOOBS were: “Language [L]: English US” and “Keyboard [9]: de”

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Is the keyboard layout set to German correctly?

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yes, keyboard layout is setted correctly to German “de-DE”.
only the location “en-US” setting is not taken and keeped at its default “en-UK” setting.

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I believe this is because the “us” language used by NOOBS isn’t a real language – it’s merely a “shortcut” within NOOBS for selecting English language (en) with a US keyboard layout.
I think that Raspbian needs to be fixed so that if it sees a NOOBS-language of “us” then it actually chooses a real language of “en”.

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First of all a big “Thank you guys & girls” from me as well.
My nephew and i usually use aptitude to update the pi software; although i am quite familiar with the bash command line, but not with debian package management (and my nephew with none of them ;-). Can aptitude do a dist-upgrade as well?
And something completely different: after the initial install i slimmed down in installation by marking a lot of lib* packages as “automatic” allowing aptitude to uninstall them. Is there a reason why so many appearantly unused libraries are marked as “manually installed”?

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how to know which version am i using of Noobs? Can I update it from Noobs 1.2 version

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The version number is displayed in the title bar of the main window when you enter the NOOBS interface by pressing shift on boot.

See comments above regarding the fact that NOOBS cannot be upgraded.

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The NOOBS is dead! Long live the NOOBS! Posting from the Gold Master Blaster itseff and it is deeee-luscious. Thanks again for listening to us and giving us yet-another smash on the hit parade.

Four versions in under four months – that’s almost as prolific as the Python named Monty for whom the little board is actually named!

[Jarring chord]
Cardinal Ximinez: “NOOBody expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is Pidora … Pidora and Raspbian … Raspbian and Pidora … Our two weapons are Raspbian and Pidora … and ruthlessly efficient RiscOS … Our *three* weapons are Raspbian, and Pidora, and ruthlessly efficient RiscOS … and an almost fanatical devotion to OpenELEC … Our *four* … no … *Amongst* our weapons … Amongst our weaponry … are such elements as Raspbian, Pidora … I’ll come in again … ”

Aaaaand SCENE! :D

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Any word on when the sonic-pi and Oracle JDK will be making their way into the repos at archive.raspbian.org? I’ve been doing apt-get updates three or four times a day since the initial Sonic Pi announcement, but they still don’t appear to be there. I thought it might be something to do with my local proxy, but going directly to the site and doing apt-get update gives the same result: no oracle-java7-jdk and no sonic-pi :(

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as of about 3 hours ago both sonic-pi and jdk were definitely on there. have you done a sudo apt-get update?

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(ah. my bad. you have. perhaps i should try opening my eyes when i’m reading)

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They’re definitely there, could you maybe double check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list

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They’re definitely there, could you maybe double check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list

Still nothing. My sources.list only includes deb/deb-src http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian, as I mentioned. (I’m not using mirrordirector because I have multiple Pis and I use a squid proxy to only download updates once across all machines—which won’t work if mirrordirector is redirecting to random machines each time I connect)

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A further update: going back to having http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ in sources.list still doesn’t work. If anyone who has downloaded them via apt, I’d be grateful if you’d post what repo your sources.list (and files in the .d dir) contain. Thanks :)

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raspbian.org only hosts the “core Raspbian” packages (i.e. packages recompiled from pure Debian). To get the extra packages specifically contributed by the Raspberry Pi Foundation to their version of Raspbian, you need to add deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list

And if you want to install weston/wayland you need deb http://raspberrypi.collabora.com wheezy rpi in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/collabora.list

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*groans*
I must have commented out the contents of the raspi.list file at some stage, thinking that it duplicated the main sources.list file :(
Thanks AS, this has been puzzling me for too long now. Thanks to everyone else for suggestions, too. Packages are downloading as I type this…

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I’m a long time Linux user who bought an early Raspberry Pi and has done little with it since. I have however kept an eye on progress and decided to try NOOBS after this latest announcement.

Fantastic work a much better experience for the new user but keeping all the potabilities, something someone like me appreciates. I downloaded the image and copied it over to the SD card, put it in the Pi and followed instructions.

Magic it just worked……….

Well done, keep it up, we appreciate your good works.

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is there any way to get an existing raspbian install up-to-date without having to install each deb by hand. (e.g. sonic-pi and jdk had to get with apt-get install rather than it coming down via apr-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade)

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http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4920
this is not working to you?

try to upgrade the existing installed packages and firmware as with:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get -y install raspi-config
sudo rpi-update
sudo reboot

and try again to install the new packages these are not on your image yet:
sudo apt-get -y install oracle-java7-jdk

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raspi-config is up to date.

there is a distinct absence of rpi-update.

neither update or dist-update pulled in the new packages sonic-pi and oracle-java7-jdk but doing it by hand (apt-get install) was successful.

should these have been pulled in automatically? and if so it makes me wonder what else might be missing.

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I have just performed the usual sudo apt-get update/sudo apt-get upgrade/sudo apt-get dist-upgrade/sudo reboot
(twice in fact) and do not see any of the new packages for pypy, piface, oracle or sonic py!

used dpkg –list to view the package list.

Any thoughts anyone?

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While I’m not using the new image, I think that the problem I was having is the same as yours. Check my post above and make sure that you have deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
And double-check your spelling, too, e.g., it’s “sonic-pi”, not “py”

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Declan, Thanks for the feedback. I was not aware of the need to add this URL. It seems somewhat strange to me that the “Pi” folks would advertise all these new packages (pypy, etc) and then not forewarn that this (URL, etc) was needed.
Regards, Mike (Ontario, Canada)

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Declan, yes, adding that URL seems to have done the trick. I was able to install the two pypy (.dev and .doc) packages manually. Mike

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This Raspbian release includes JACK!! But for some reason I can’t start it via qjackctl from the desktop (I think this is normal)

Does anybody has tested this included JACK??? Audiostatic are you reading this?

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i used NOOBS 1.3 + OpenELEC + Raspbian.
because of an issue with rpi-firmware of the current Raspbian, i tried to downgrade the rpi-firmware to an older version.
i used:
sudo rpi-update aea9d8e529baf2c11e0282706b71ae8cfc8ee909
to do that. unfortunately i bricked my raspbian with this action – after NOOBS boot menu and choosing Raspbian to boot up, i got only the “rainbow”-square to see.
the OpenELEC partition is still working. only Raspbian partition is bricked.

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This is to be expected. You can’t simply downgrade the firmware and expect everything to still work!

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When I try to install a fresh copy of NOOBS onto my pi, it sits for hours on the screen Please wait while NOOBS initialises. I have tried putting the files on again, to no avail. Anyone have any ideas?

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Hmm, that sounds quite like https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs/issues/101 which is supposed to be fixed.
Could you try using the “offline” version of NOOBS, and removing your ethernet cable before booting?

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Works!! Thanks so much!

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Do you have your Ethernet cable connected? Are you behind a Web proxy?

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I disconnected the ethernet cable and it worked! Thanks!

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For some reason it seems that the Noobs version of Rasbian wont work with the Rasclock v3 driver. Seems to cause it to hang after initialising the usb devices.

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I’d say that’s a problem with Raspbian, rather than NOOBS. Maybe ask whoever makes the “Rasclock v3 driver” for help?

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No, it’s with the version that ships via NOOBs. As It works perfectly on a standalone install of raspbian.

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For documentation, source code and issues to do with PiFace, checkout our GitHub: https://github.com/piface

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Hi Tom

Is PiFace actually pre-installed in Noobs 1,3 as indicated? When I use import piface.pfio in the IDLE python shell I get a ‘No,module named piface,pfio’ error. Do I need to change directory or something else?

Cheers, Martyn

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Oh, just got it. I need to import pifacedigitalio now.

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Here are some examples of how to use PiFace Digital I/O.

http://piface.github.io/pifacedigitalio/example.html

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“images are downloaded from our repository at install time.”

That must work great for the model A with no network port.

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That’s why there is also a full install.

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I can confirm that the “full install” of NOOBS works fine on a Model A with only a USB keyboard plugged in (it’s actually what I did most of my beta-testing on).

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The only thing that NOOBs disappoint me is that you need to format the entire SD if you want to install another SO. NOOBs would be perfect if we could have chance to install an SO after.

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When you install (one or many) OSes using NOOBS, it automatically shares out all the ‘leftover’ space evenly amongst all the OSes you’re installing, so that there’s no “wasted” space on your SD card.
Therefore there’s no room on your SD card to install any “additional” OS!

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When is the RISC OS image going to be updated. It looks as though you have the oldest possible RISC OS Pi image with all of the early bugs, and this gives the wrong impression of RISC OS to new users.

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Yes. I read all of that, though over on the RISC OS forums they say that they had contacted you once they heard about the update and did not get any response as to if they needed to make any modification, so are expecting it to be done as the RC11 is already composed.

Hence reading stuff that sidesteps the question does not help.

As such I ask WHEN IS RISC OS 5.21 RPi RC11 going to be added NOOBS, REPLACING THE VERY EARLY RC8 THAT IS THERE?

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Its simply not up to us as we need a custom build due to RISC OS not understanding Linux partitions.

If the RISC OS team can provide an updated version then I will happily push it out with NOOBS.

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just installed noobs 1.3 and when i tried to run pidora i got the message unable to load a failsafe session
any ideas please

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Hi

Did a new install on the new Noobs 1.3 and after that I installed tightvncserver.

But when I now connect from remote machine I seem to be root an no icons.
Any ideas or did I miss anything new when you install tightvncserver ?

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Did the classic…
Sudo vncserver :1
Should not use sudo
Instead only

vncserver :1

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I’ve bought my Pi in August, 2012. Since then I could not be able to run it well with my A4tech wireless keyboard and mouse set. Multiple keypresses were happening. I even tried and could not use a PS2 keyboard with a PS2 to USB converter.

All of these were valid until last night. I downloaded last NOOBS revision from work and installed on my sd-card. Went home and plugged in to my Pi, which I did not powered on for the last three months, and voila. My keyboard worked. I really do not know what you had done with the operating systems, knowing that vast amount of work is done for the improvements, I now can use OpenELEC, Rasbmc and Xbian alltogether. I even watched Planet Earth – Deep Sea without any issues last night.

I can not find the words to thank you as being able to run my Pi had had become an obsession for me. At last I have my Pi running. Now I’m thinking to mount it behind my TV (it has a VESA mount); buy a 90degree HDMI adapter and present it to my wife as a tiny but hugely powerful computer, which she can do whatever she wants with it.

Thank you all who worked on this project.

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Thanks Mustafa — it’s great to get feedback from the community and to hear these stories. We hope that your wife likes her present :)

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All i currently miss in noobs is ability to write protect the SD card and install OpenElec or Raspbian od USB Pen connected to PI. All my SD Cards corrupt after some time. Most stable are only class 2 and 4. While i have other one locked with OpenElec on pendrive which works flawessly half of the year.

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How can i reduce resolution in raspbian? I want to set it to max 1280×800 not 1080p.

Addec config.txt with
hdmi_group=2
hdmi_mode=0x23
hdmi_drive=2

and only noobs changed resolution.

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You will need to remove the autogenerated settings added to the end of the config.txt file for Raspbian.

1> Boot your Pi
2> Press Shift
3> Use the arrow keys to highlight “Raspbian” in the OS list
4> Click “Edit Config”
5> Scroll to end of file
6> Delete the lines after the “NOOBS Autogenerated Settings” header

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THX! Edited config and set console to 1360×768, and hdmi_mode=40

Now it is usable. And most important now ScummVM works full screen! And i’m in heaven ;-)

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I would suggest to include a terminal service client image in the next version.

/Jan

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perhaps something like this?

http://rpitc.blogspot.se/

/Jan

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Hi,
Was just wondering if this update as caused any problems with the SPI device drivers, as I have tried to activate them by commenting them out in the blacklist, but when i search the /dev file spidev0.0 and spidev1.0 are not showing up.

Many Thanks

Gareth

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