8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75

The long-rumoured 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 is now available, priced at just $75.

Raspberry Pi 4 is almost a year old, and it’s been a busy year. We’ve sold nearly 3 million units, shipped a couple of minor board revisions, and reduced the price of the 2GB variant from $45 to $35. On the software side, we’ve done enormous amounts of work to reduce the idle and loaded power consumption of the device, passed OpenGL ES 3.1 conformance, started work on a Vulkan driver, and shipped PXE network boot mode and a prototype of USB mass storage boot mode – all this alongside the usual round of bug fixes, feature additions, and kernel version bumps.

While we launched with 1GB, 2GB and 4GB variants, even at that point we had our eye on the possibility of an 8GB Raspberry Pi 4. We were so enthusiastic about the idea that the non-existent product made its way into both the Beginner’s Guide and the compliance leaflet.

Oops.

The BCM2711 chip that we use on Raspberry Pi 4 can address up to 16GB of LPDDR4 SDRAM, so the real barrier to our offering a larger-memory variant was the lack of an 8GB LPDDR4 package. These didn’t exist (at least in a form that we could address) in 2019, but happily our partners at Micron stepped up earlier this year with a suitable part. And so, today, we’re delighted to announce the immediate availability of the 8GB Raspberry Pi 4, priced at just $75.

Multum in parvo

It’s worth reflecting for a moment on what a vast quantity of memory 8GB really is. To put it in retro-perspective (retrospective?), this is a BBC Micro‘s worth of memory for every bit in the memory of the BBC Micro; it’s a little over 13,000 times the 640KB that Bill Gates supposedly thought should be enough for anyone (sadly, it looks as though this quote is apocryphal).

If you’re a power user, intending to compile and link large pieces of software or run heavy server workloads, or you simply want to be able to have even more browser tabs open at once, this is definitely the Raspberry Pi for you.

What else has changed?

To supply the slightly higher peak currents required by the new memory package, James has shuffled the power supply components on the board, removing a switch-mode power supply from the right-hand side of the board next to the USB 2.0 sockets and adding a new switcher next to the USB-C power connnector. While this was a necessary change, it ended up costing us a three-month slip, as COVID-19 disrupted the supply of inductors from the Far East.

New switcher, new inductors, new schedule

Other than that, this is the same Raspberry Pi 4 you’ve come to know and love.

What about 64-bit?

Our default operating system image uses a 32-bit LPAE kernel and a 32-bit userland. This allows multiple processes to share all 8GB of memory, subject to the restriction that no single process can use more than 3GB. For most users this isn’t a serious restriction, particularly since every tab in Chromium gets its own process. Sticking with a 32-bit userland has the benefit that the same image will run on every board from a 2011-era alpha board to today’s shiny new 8GB product.

But power users, who want to be able to map all 8GB into the address space of a single process, need a 64-bit userland. There are plenty of options already out there, including Ubuntu and Gentoo.

Not to be left out, today we’ve released an early beta of our own 64-bit operating system image. This contains the same set of applications and the same desktop environment that you’ll find in our regular 32-bit image, but built against the Debian arm64 port.

Both our 32-bit and 64-bit operating system images have a new name: Raspberry Pi OS. As our community grows, we want to make sure it’s as easy as possible for new users to find our recommended operating system for Raspberry Pi. We think the new name will help more people feel confident in using our computers and our software. An update to the Raspberry Pi Desktop for all our operating system images is also out today, and we’ll have more on that in tomorrow’s blog post.

You can find a link to the new 64-bit image, and some important caveats, in this forum post.

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So do I buy 2x2GB Pi4s or 1x new Monstertruck….. Hmmm :))))

Eben Upton

You know the answer to that question. Hint: it’s “both”.

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Hello Eben,
I am working on a commercial application of the 4B where I need both POE and battery backup, so I am designing my own board. I see from recent news about the USB-C cable issues that the POE HAT was discontinued. My design mounts underneath and leaves the top side header free. If this would be of interest, please pass my contact to the appropriate resource.
Thanks,
Jack Gratteau
Principal Engineer, Perceptimed Inc.

Eben Upton

Where did you see that the PoE HAT is discontinued? It’s still and active product, and selling in very large quantities.

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1 question, if we use PoE HAT on Pi4, can we use the USB C port for external USB C SSD/NVME?

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Does the Pi4 (any of those) work with the first revision of the PoE board?
Does the Pi4 now is 100% USB-C compatible?
Will it negociate higher voltage to draw more power?

Eben Upton

Yes, yes and no.

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Congratulations! The move to 64 bit in particular will open up some serious new applications for the the the little computer than could!

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Yay!! So many new or hugely improved capabilities! Streaming, databases, clusters, AI, and so many more we don’t even know about yet:)

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Excellent, together with the 64 bit OS this will be my new local postgre server. I’ve ordered an 8GB one within a minute of learning of its existence!

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Now we just need a 64bit Raspbian (and compatible soft)! :)

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Try reading all the way to the bottom of the blog post… ;)

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Funny, that was my exact reaction when I read his comment.

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Instead of this remark, why not simply give the information?

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How much higher are those peek currents?

Eben Upton

Not vast, and of course DRAM current is only a small fraction of total loaded power consumption. But required a change nonetheless.

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Will the other boards also get this new design?

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Woohoo! :D Now I can only hope for NVMe and maybe, just maybe, support for more modern OpenGL/Vulkan versions. :D

Thanks for all the hard work! \o/

Eben Upton

More Vulkan news coming real soon now.

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I can see some modifications to the PCB near the USB-C port and USB host ports, but I’m not sure what they are for. On my board, a small chip close to the VLI has also been removed. Those changes are probably minor, but it would be nice to know what they are anyway.

Eben Upton

These are the regulator changes I mention in the post. The disappeared chip near the USB connector is the old regulator. The new stuff near the USB-C is the new regulator. The input clamp component has moved across to the USB area to make room.

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Wow, just wow. Congratulations, this is quite an accomplishment! And thanks for the very very informative blog post! Great work, and kudos to everyone on the team.

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with my RPi4B with 4GB i “quickly” into 100% swap even there is only ~1GB RAM used out of the ~3.81GB RAM total.
see https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=275203

how will the new RPi4B behave with its 8GB?

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Try modifying your swappiness.

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You may evaluate to use zram, if your OS is not allowing it.
It is basically a compressed swapfile in ram. If you set swappiness to zero, when the raspi will run out of memory, it will start using this fake swap, which is compressed, saving space.

This means, basically, you tell the system “when you run out of memory, start compressing pages of RAM”
It works.

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“shipped a couple of minor board revisions”
Could you please elaborate on that?

Eben Upton

From memory:

  • USB-C compatibility fix
  • Moved WLCSP component to top side for robustness
  • Silk screen changes for manufacturability
  • Silk screen changes for compliance marking
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Does that mean that the current batch of Raspberry Pi 4s are fully compliant with the USB-C spec? I had read soon after launch that it wasn’t compliant which caused issues with various USB-C cables.

Eben Upton

Yes. It’s a large spec though :)

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Does USB C port support high speed transfert ?

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I’m assuming the other Pi4 models will also include these changes and not just the 8GB model for pcb mfg ease?

Eben Upton

We don’t expect to roll these changes across to other models, at least not for a while. The modifications make the product marginally more expensive, so we’ll only use them where they deliver a benefit.

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Is there a plan for recalling the ones with the hardware bug?

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Wow, this is an awesome upgrade. The Pi 4 with 8GB ram will definitely make a better Raspberry Pi desktop and IoT gateway. Congratulations on hitting the milestone!

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Vas, did you not read the “What about 64-bit?” second half of the post? That’s exactly what it’s talking about.

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Congratulations on the 8 GB launch :-) Lets see who will build the biggest Raspberry Pi cluster with these new memory beasts

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is there an upgrade path
from “Raspbian” to “Raspi OS” ?
or is it coming automatically?

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It’s just a new name to bring the 32 and 64 bit products under one umbrella. The 32-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS is what was known as Raspbian – the upgrade is just the same as before, apt update / apt full-upgrade. More details in tomorrow’s blog post.

Eben Upton

Yes – it’s just an overdue naming change to discriminate between Raspbian (the independent open source project) and the 32-bit images that Raspberry Pi builds on top of it.

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Does Mathematica run on the new 64-bit OS in 64-bit mode with 8GB RAM?

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Not yet – there are a few applications which are not compatible with the 64-bit OS, and Mathematica is one of them.

Eben Upton

Not at present.

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Perdón pero no hablo ingles.
Es posible instalar una PBX IP Issabel en raspberry.
He probado Freepbx y funciona bien , pero me gusta más Issabel, que está basada en centos 7.
Ahora con la.nueva versión de 8G sería genial que se pudiera instalar Issabel Pbx

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Perdón pero no hablo español muy bien. Pienso que Issabel es solo disponible por los arquitecturas x86 y ia64. Yo busqué, pero no encontré nada de un puerto para ARM.

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This looks awesome! Does the power supply component shuffling mean the pi4 works with all mac usb-c chargers now?

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Congratulations on such a nice product! I love the raspberry pi since it is born! Just ordered an 8GB Pi4 minutes after the release at http://www.pimoroni.com

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Anyone noticed the hidden mini pci-e and m2 slot at the bottom ;-) ???

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stop teasing. ;’)
i hope they add an m.2 slot on the bottom of a future raspberry pi4B+ or pi5B. let users select their own storage whether it be boot from SDMicro, USB or M.2 without increasing cost too much (eg. not actually including any media with the board). that’s the advantage of an m.2 slot over an eMMC implementation… you don’t tax every user for the feature..

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People will use M.2 to PCIe adaptors and attach 2080s

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Congratulations Eben and team, this is really great!

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Very well done! 8Gb is quite a nice version! Keep up the great work! Congratulations!

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The time that will reach Malawi , it’ll be about $200?? ( taking into account that the 4gb version goes for $163 in other shops now)

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Is there any change the 4gb version will see a price drop as we saw with the 2gb? I am going to get one soon and wanted to know if I should wait a little longer

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Is the RAM stacked under th SOC?
I was wondering if it makes a difference to the height of the SOC, with regard to fitting in a FLIRC heatsink case?

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Looking the board so the USB ports are pointing right, the RAM is that “big” black rectangle that is right to the SoC. (sorry for my English)

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Finally sorted USB booting or still 19th century SD card only?

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RPi4 (4GB)= desktop replacement
RPi4 (8GB)= server replacement

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I think not, as 16Gbit is 2GBytes. This is a 64Gbit part (isn’t it amazing?).
Micron already had 64Gbit parts, as can be found on mouser and other vendors, but it’s the “addressable” part that matters, as these parts can be 1bit x 64G, 2bit x 32G and so on. It’s the bus width requirement that set the limit.

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Congratulations! Thank you very much for your work. This looks awesome. Does it support booting from USB?

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This was meant as a reply to Yuhong Bao, above.

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Two questions:
1. Does this board include the USB-C fix?
2. Is there any revisions needed to fit this in a Raspberry Pi 4 case?

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Not that I feel like working on it right now, but I’ve always wondered if my Nextcloud setup would allow files larger than 2GB if it were running a 64-bit OS.

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There are ODP parts based on 8Gbit LPDDR4 and QDP parts based on the new 16GBit DDR4. My guess is that the SoC only supports QDP.

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Oh boy, two weeks ago I bought a 4GB model with the intentions to buy the best Raspberry Pi at the moment… Feeling pretty bad now…

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Same here :-(

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Lol.
I feel you. I did the exact same thing about two weeks ago. Wanted the best Pi to play and learn on. Oh well at least we are talking about full computers under $100. If we were talking about a gaming pc or latest tv then you would be really feeling the hurt.

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My 1st rpi4 was delivered yesterday… :(

Eben Upton

At least we didn’t cut any prices, or introduce anything better at an existing price point, this time!

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@aidas
USB boot, no SSD card:
https://youtu.be/zVhYvvrGhMU

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Maybe one can use the nspawn system to run Mathematica in a 32-bit environment even if the Raspberry Pi OS is 64-bit.

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Moving the power supply components on the board shouldn’t result in cases and enclosures needing to be redesigned, would it?

Eben Upton

I suppose you could imagine a case design which did collide with the new components, but in practice I would expect all cases to work fine.

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Would it fit CooliPi 4B as well? At first glance, I see no obvious changes that would break it. The only unknown is the height of a memory chip – is it taller than the 4GB version? We’ve reserved 0.9mm between the PCB and the heatsink for memory, ETH PHY and USB bridge. So any taller DRAM would raise it a bit.

Thanks and congratulations for the 8GB version happen! I will greatly speed up video editing on RPI4 (being essenially memory limited under 32bit system). My latest project has eaten about 7GB of RAM on final cut.

Eben Upton

I believe it should be fine. A quick squint at the datasheets suggests the new package is no thicker than the old one (they’re both quad-die packages).

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@Aidas – Take a look on the General Discussion Forum – the USB boot functionality is currently in BETA.

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Congrats on the 8GB Pi4, any chance of paying the PI zero W a little love. I would love to see a Pi Zero W with better CPU and bit more RAM :)

Eben Upton

Believe me, we’re keen to do something here too. Quite constrained by the form factor, but never say never.

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I *love* the Zero W the way it is….but I’d love it even more if the USB were a little snappier.

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Hi there,

Why do you keep doing this to meeee. No I’m happy with my 4GB (not so future proof) variant. My question is:- Can I use the 64bit Raspebrry OS on my 4GB Pi4b?

Many thanks for all your Raspberry Pi varients over the years.

N Gilman

Eben Upton

:) It’s fun to keep people on their toes. Yes, you can use the 64-bit OS on your 4GB Raspberry Pi 4 (and in fact on smaller memory Raspberry Pi 4 models and 3/3+).

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Kudos! :)
It’s always inspiring to hear how your refreshingly comprehensive efforts in hardware, software, and firmware slowly but surely come together see the light of day.
After consistently favoring Raspbian 32-bit as my goto on several RPi boards, I’ve recently gotten into 64-bit Ubuntu, for a server build on an RPi4 (Mattermost Team Server, wouldn’t work properly in 32bit), but I would have gladly used the “Rasperry Pi OS” 64bit had it been mature at the time…
**Thanks for continuing to move your 64bit offering forward.**

Eben Upton

You’re most welcome. It’s a fine balance between maintaining backward compatibility and providing more features on current hardware, but fortunately the Debian world makes building the same OS for multiple architectures (including x86) easier than it might otherwise be.

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Will the other Raspberry Pi 4 computers change to the new circuit board layout? I guess that would be an advantage since you would not need to stock different circuit boards and components. Does the old passive cooling cases for Raspberry Pi 4 B 4 GB work with the new 8 GB PCB?

Eben Upton

Not in the near future. It is a slightly more expensive power-chain design, so we only want to use it where it’s needed.

Eben Upton

And yes, existing cases (e.g. FLIRC) should work fine.

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Ok, and for the Zero, no news?!
I love his form-factor

Eben Upton

No news at the moment. As we’ve said before, the form-factor imposes significant constraints on what silicon we can use.

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Can’t both sides be used on raspberry Pi Zero W for more stuff?

Eben Upton

Maybe, but the single-sidedness is a key part of the value proposition (and the cost model).

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This looks great – a far cry from my first 256MB RPI1 (still in 24×7 use by the way) :-)
I’m hoping that the RPI5 (or some other product from the foundation) has either msata or NVME support in the future. That would truly make it complete.

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Woulf the USB boot functionality allow the use of an iso image to be loaded via the SD slot, and then installed to a USB connected SSD?

Eben Upton

I believe you can use the SD card duplicator utility to do this.

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Can you please publish high-res photos of top and bottom side ? and comment a bit more on the updates of the power circuitry?

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I updated Raspbian to the now Raspberry Pi OS on my 4GB model and now the system freezes at startup… And yes I tried to boot it twice, so it is not stable!

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great, but still hoping for crypto extensions ….

Eben Upton

If you look in the latest image you’ll find we’ve enabled NEON acceleration of OpenSSL, which gives us a big performance boost. I’d be interested in knowing about any use cases where this isn’t enough to eliminate the need for extensions.

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e.g encrypted FileSystems may benefit from hardware encryption. I know, not your use case ;)

In 64bit the browser is now really fast and CPU doesn’t get that hot. Well done.

Only for interest. Is it possible to sell such hardware features like the video encoding?

Eben Upton

Do you mean is it possible to enable the video encode hardware in 64-bit mode? We’re working on that: right now the lack of access to the video accelerator is the main drawback of 64-bit mode.

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Sorry, I was talking about AES. I know you cut that feature, because it is too expensive for the mass market.

I wonder, if the AES feature is implemented on the die, so it may be possible to activated it with a certificate – like it was done with the video codecs.

I am on your side, if the use case is a browser for education. Performance and heat is perfect when used with a large heat sink. But encrypted file systems, https servers, … may be cooler and faster with enabled AES feature.

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Has MPEG-2 and VC-1 hardware decoding GONE FOREVER?

It was an outstanding way of maintaining no-fuss
compatibility with a wealth of visual data.

Dropping the $5 extra hardware decoder in the Pi4 was
a very sad milestone.

The HW decoders were totally solid and ran VERY COOL

Please bring back hardware video decoding!

Thanks
Steve

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Funnily enough I was checking for info on a CM4 or 4A only a few hours ago… a random FB post shortly after was spotted and now an 8GB is on its way…

Speaking of CM4 and 4A… what about a couple flat flex connectors on the A, bringing out the PCIe and RGMII connections, bringing its functionality more close to what the CM4 would break out on the module… it’s only a suggestion however.

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Oh crikey! I think this may be what tempts me to finally get a Pi4 – I have the original 256MB Pi 1 , a 3 and a 3+, so it’s probably time to add to the family. Keep up the interviews on Youtube (thinking here of Neil at Retro Man Cave) – really interesting to hear the back story and the future intent for RasPi. Keep up the good work!

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what good is 8gb if I still can’t boot from USB and I’m stuck with 30mpbs read writes ?

Eben Upton

I think you may be looking for the USB boot mode beta which is mentioned in the actual second paragraph of this actual blog post.

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What about Compute module 4 ? any sooon?

Eben Upton

It’s coming. Definitely this year.

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Great news

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Is this available for sale in India?

Ashley Whittaker

Click ‘Buy now’ on this page and select ‘India’: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

We have four approved sellers for the 8GB in India.

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“it’s a typo” ^^
It’s an awesome job you’ve done ! Congratulations and many thanks to the foundation again ;)

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Aren’t you afraid that you can seriously use Windows 10 on this device?

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Wow, but im still happy with my RPI4 4gb. Im using my old pi 3 as a server, but i got a lack on sd memory speed, even on rpi 4. I hope for the next gen a eMMc module support, to gain increase the system stability and performance.

Eben Upton

You might want to check out USB boot (referred to in the second paragraph). Vastly more speed than you’d get from eMMC.

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Forgot to ask… does this model follow the silicon lottery rules as the other 4’s or does this have a better chance at higher stable overclocks than the others?

Eben Upton

Yes. You always get to play the silicon lottery.

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The progress is really impressive, but on other side how adding 4G ram more will affect power consumption and power heating?

Eben Upton

You shouldn’t see a measurable power consumption increase from 8GB vs 4GB.

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Will see this probably next month.

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Raspberry pi 4 is missing one important think so we can use it as real desktop. working drivers. We still have artifacts when we move with windows.
As device has really fast hw. And for example latest gnome 3.36 run really nice.

Eben Upton

Can you open an issue here, describing the problem you’re seeing in detail:

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux

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Is this available to ship to Brazil?

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Congrats! But … now it’s time to release a Compute Module 4 with 8GB of RAM *grin*

Eben Upton

Quiet you!

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wow! Congrats to the team.
A new Pi model and a 64-bit OS at the same time!
An 8GB is on its way …..
Could a “Lite” version of the 64-bit beta be released?

Eben Upton

There will certainly be a lite version once the 64-bit release is ready for the prime time. Maybe not while we’re still in beta.

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Does it need serious cooling fan or can work with passive cooling?

Eben Upton

Should be fine without for most use cases.

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Cant wait to put this to the test. Thanks.

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8Gb !!!! Great …. Any idea if a eMMC clipsable module will come ?

Eben Upton

No plans for eMMC. USB 3 SSDs give vastly better performance.

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In New Raspberry OS the command amixer cset numid=3 1 dosent work anymore. I think its because you separate HDMI and the phone jack. How can i force the audio output in console now?

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We have now separated the Raspberry Pi’s own audio outputs into separate ALSA devices rather than having them all combined into device 0, which then requires non-standard commands to switch. Just use alsamixer or amixer to change the default ALSA device, or make the appropriate setting in .asoundrc.

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What if we want it to still work as one device? Or alternatively output audio to multiple devices?

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There’s no advantage to having it work as one device; that isn’t the way ALSA is supposed to work. And you couldn’t output to multiple outputs before anyway; nothing has changed from that point of view.

If you want to do more complex output, the best thing to do is to install an alternative audio subsystem like PulseAudio, which will now work better due to the underlying ALSA devices behaving the way it will expect them to…

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I just hope that Raspberry Pi 5 will have also a small M.2 interface. I really love my RPI4 but having the OS on an sdcard is not reliable, and I don’t like having an external SSD on USB

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Yes, an M.2 slot and screw hole for an NVMe SSD would be great. For me, increasing the board footprint – perhaps to a square – would be perfectly fine if it would enable the placement of such a slot.

There are some single board computer on the market that sport M.2 slots, e.g. the FriendlyARM NanoPC-T4. But none of the competing products have a power supply as cute as the official Pi 4 power supply.

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Congratulations on the launch!

Does this new board also work with other (Apple) USB-C chargers now?

Eben Upton

Yes.

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It is in beta to be fair.

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Will we have a version with BCM7218X to support AV1 in the near future?

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Eben, you know you are right!!
A 2GB kit arrived today from ThePiHut for my 10yo daughter to start Scratch’ing over the summer… Younger brother will be jealous, and then I will need a Daddy-size upgrade :)))
Great work from all of you !!!!!

Eben Upton

Thanks Alan. Hope you’re keeping well.

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Hi. Great news!
But pliz,pliz,pliz finish gpu driver also! This model can be uber good but not without best possible drivers!!!

Eben Upton

GPU drivers are a Sisyphian task, but the effort continues.

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With RaspiOS-64 the floodgates are open. In no time users will demand a 16GB Raspi4B – for starters.

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This is great news. I’ll be upgrading my 3B+ soon. Hopefully on the next major upgrade we’ll see an M.2 slot for the boot disk. SD cards aren’t very reliable. 8GB of memory is absolutely huge for a single board computer though. That’s half of what my x86 workstation has. Keep up the great work!

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Thanks for the wonderful work all these years. I’m using the rpi4 4g version and will try the USB boot asap. Is there any plan to bring an actual SATA port for SSD direct support?

Eben Upton

We don’t really have a form-factor option for SATA (unless we invent our own connector design), and in any case don’t see any advantage to SATA over USB 3 for SSDs. Maybe for high-capacity spinning rust, but USB->SATA bridges are cheap, performant and plentiful.

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@Eben Upton,
CM4… “It’s coming. Definitely this year.”
does it bring PCIe bus and the second HDMI to the DIMM like connector?

Eben Upton

It will certainly export all high-speed interfaces from the SoC.

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fortunately on the pinout i can count enough free with NC marked pins left for a PCIe lane on the SODIMM of the CM,
but unfortunately for the second HDMI there seems to be not enough free pins left…
… except with breaking the backward compatibility, but i don’t beleave that this will be the case…
surprise me… :D

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Is processor update to A73 possible? Without increasing price. It will solve major issues like power requirement and
heating.

Eben Upton

Actually A73 is a bit of a disappointment. A marginal (<10%) theoretical improvement in power/performance/area over A72, but a well-implemented A72 (which we have) beats an adequately implemented A73 hands down.

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They will probably move to Cortex-A75 for an RPi5.
Cortex-A73 even looks definitively worse than A72 in some scenarios: “In reviews, the Cortex-A73 showed improved integer instructions per clock (IPC), though lower floating point IPC, relative to the Cortex-A72.” -Wikipedia

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Hi happy to see this update ,I was just wondering what if I could run Android on new pi and what if there was a powerful browser than chromium.

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Sir can we have a boot from ssd other than memory card ,in future pi 5 atleast please add a option to boot from ssd (I don’t want to loose a USB for faster pi)

Eben Upton

Look in the second paragraph of the post: we shipped a beta of USB boot last week.

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When will Power-over-Ethernet (PoE) be included by default? My house is overflowing with 5V power adapters

Eben Upton

We won’t support this by default. There’s >$10 of electronics involved.

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It’s actually amazing to hear this from you. I’ve always thought that PoE should be implemented by default but hearing that it’s so costly makes the decision fully understandable.

Eben Upton

It’s the classic Raspberry Pi dilemma: to what extent do you tax people who don’t use a feature to help those who do? Or do you push all but the most basic features onto HATs so you can mix and match?

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I really commend your team for your laser-like focus on price.
Funny thing is, the boards are so inexpensive for what they do that they make any accessory look expensive by comparison. Why would I buy a case, when I could buy a Pi Zero for the money? :)
I mean, just look at the new family member. A full blown PC:
– with 8G of RAM
– consuming less power than an LED bulb.
– running a 64-bit OS.
– for $75.
I rest my case.

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They will sell many units, good luck

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I’m a newbie and recently bought the 4GB and I intend to use it as a desktop pc. I’m using Ubuntu desktop and works fine after struggling painfully to install it (Wi-Fi install OK on terminal, but not able to see the available network; Ethernet install fixed it but Ubuntu software disappears, which is the most important thing for me so I can use the applications that I may need). I have no issues for both Ubuntu and Raspbian, but I always see the blinking yellow lightning symbol on top right portion of the screen. Is it normal and is it the same for the 8GB? I’m planning to get one soon. By the way it appears with or without the case (passive cooling)

Ashley Whittaker

The clever grown ups I just asked suggested searching the term “lightning symbol” on our forum for lots of relevant content: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/

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Thanks for the clever answer, but I have strictly followed the requirements before using it. I think I’ll just stick on reviving my old PCs with Ubuntu vs. the 8GB, and I’ll have my 4GB as back-up and use it only for projects.
Thanks

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That means that your power supply isn’t good enough. You need at least 5V 2A with 3A recommended. The official one works very well: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/type-c-power-supply/

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Thanks. I’m using 3.0A and tried other 2.0A power supplies but still happening.

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can be also usb cable with too thin wires inside

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You might check your power supply output voltage. I had a number of 3 and 4 amp wall wart devices from the same vendor that vary in voltage by .2 volt. I tend to use the 5.1v finds and don’t have any lightning bolt indications. If I use a 4.9v device, I get the lightning bolt a lot.

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We can hope for emulation (games) gain with this upgrade?

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Probably no advantage for retro gaming (e.g. Retropie) beyond 2 GB. Except for some scenarios where UI images/videos and other stuff are cached.

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Finally, I can use the 64bit OS to build the 64bit and 32bit kernels.

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Would a soft-power option be possible in the future? Power off in software and power-on via a button/header/ or possibly via Wake on LAN?

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I texted my brother with the news … he replied back “can we justify getting an 8gb PI?” … I replied … “I don’t know …. but I just bought one …” … Love Pi, Love Linux!

Thanks guys!

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Will we have a version with eMMC to support filesystem in the near future? RPi 5 ?

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Eben answered a few posts up… No that they won’t be doing eMMC.
But I wonder if an M.2 slot might be included one day..then we can provide our own storage… M.2 or SSD or USB.. without increasing the price of a Raspbery Pi too much.

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Thanks for the clever answer, but I have strictly followed the requirements before using it. I think I’ll just stick on reviving my old PCs with Ubuntu vs. the 8GB, and I’ll have my 4GB as back-up and use it only for projects.
Thanks

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Fantastic News!!! Finally, 64bit OS support with a Great amount of fast RAM.

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Can we install windows 10 on it?

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Will the new 8 GB variant support Windows 10

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That would be a question for Microsoft. They own the proprietary code for Windows and specify what versions (desktop,server,mobile,iot) can run on which hardware platform as they see fit:
https://support.microsoft.com

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I own a Pi4/4GB, using it in my new hi-fi as a streamer feeding the DAC via I2S with Volumio. Maybe overkill a bit, but it’s doing the job flawlessly. (So glad having I2S via GPIO on the Pi).

Meanwhile I have to use the Pi1B/512G which I got as a gift recently. I hope I can still use it for something interesting and meaningful (learning Node.JS recently).

These are wonderful little machines, thanks for all of your efforts.

I’m not whining about the M2.5 holes on the Pi-s but it’s really great I still could carefully extend all 4 holes on the board to M3 size to fit my Arduino ecosystem.. the two worlds just blend great when used properly.

Regarding 64bits, well, I think this is bigger news (and a bigger benefit overall) for the whole community than having 8G models too, but for sure 8G also has its advantages.

Do you plan putting simple ECC RAM onto future models ? It would increase costs just by a tiny little bit but then my supersecret superhidden :) mini-NAS would benefit of ECC when using ZoL for my 2-disk setup. And there’re maybe other uses cases too benefiting from ‘extreme’ reliability.. (especially when always-on 7/24).

Keep up the amazing work and .. oh yes.. GPU.. provide some extra work for the Kodi staff too ;))

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Will you be able to upgrade from today’s 32 bit Raspbian over to the 64 bit Raspberry OS using the upgrade instruction?

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Can the 8GB Pi be booted from a USB stick with a bootable Ubuntu OS (18.04, or Ubuntu Mate)?

Eben Upton

Yes, though this feature is in beta at present.

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Will the new 64-bit OS run on the 4 GB Raspberry Pi?

Eben Upton

Yes it will!

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I’m going to wait for the 16 GB varian to come out. I hope that it wouldn’t go above $100, fingers crossed.

Eben Upton

I think you’re unlikely to ever see this.

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Haha, I was going to message this exact thing with a bit of wry smile on the end. The RPi4 won’t get it but some day you will release a 16GB RPi ?

Eben Upton

Now I think that’s a safe bet.

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They had to have the 8GB memory chip custom made for this one.

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A new luxury for my BTC and LN full node. thanks!

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Excellent work guys! I think it is finally time to upgrade my raspberry 2. Any idea when these will be available at Microcenter in the US?

Eben Upton

Definitely time to upgrade if you’re on a Raspberry Pi 2. Most of us upgraded from the 3+, so saw a respectable ~3x performance jump. The jump from a 2 is going to be immense.

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Hello to the raspberry Pi foundation.
Congratulations on this new version!
As there were some faults like the usb-c socket and the usb boot, I will finally be able to acquire this raspberry Pi 4B / 8GB.
Thanks for fixing these issues.
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^_^ going to get one, should help to test some ML models :3 woot self driving cars here I come

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It is definitely less confusing for new comers to rename Raspbian to Raspberry Pi OS. I just updated my OS by running “apt update and dist-upgrade”. The Raspbian string still seems to be lurking somewhere like this:
$ gcc –version
gcc (Raspbian 8.3.0-6+rpi1) 8.3.0
Hope these strings can be fixed too. Thank you.

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… and yet the usb boot just reached beta. and yet they added more memory to a 80-degree burning hardware.
come to your senses, no one is using the pi as desktop. the video playback is just horrible.

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@nick
I use the pi for all desktop stuff, it runs 40-42 in a flirc case, the temperature problem was addressed a long time ago.

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hmm i wonder how much memory you r using with ur 40-ish passive cool. lol

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I use my RPi4B-4GB as my primary desktop. It may be slightly slower than my i7 x86 laptop, but it’s more secure and more power efficient. Since I live in hot sunny AZ, the lower heat production makes RPi4B totally worth using as my desktop.

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I use my Pi 4 as a REAL desktop computer, and by that I mean it’s mounted in an actual PC tower case and uses the case PSU for power to the Pi and all the SSDs, old Spinning Rust drives and DVD drive (I play a lot of older games on the PI in Dosbox & Box86 etc, so CD / DVD drive). All the USB ports are connected to the case ports, as is the audio connections. only modification I did was to swap the case power button over to a latching type (was quicker than making a ATX style power switch, but could be done). The case is even a cheap gaming case with window and LED lighting. It looks like a real PC, until you look in the window and see………nothing! ;)
That bit confuses people a lot, heh heh!

This machine is really used as my desktop, I use it for image work with GIMP, business duties (letters / records etc) and general use such as retro gaming, streaming video and music, etc,etc. Does everything I need to do, and it does it very well!

So, yeah…..people ARE using this as a “real desktop”, mainly because it’s cheap and works sufficiently well at most needs – unless your *only* need is to play modern windows based PC games, in which case…..yeah, then you may be right. Buy a £1000 PC for that…

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play me a 1080p video in youtube without tearing

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You *have* to use Chromium on Raspbian/RaspiOS for Youtube or any other video site, because it’s the only browser on any RPi operating system that has hardware acceleration. Alternatively, you could download Youtube videos with the command line tool youtube-dl and play them locally (again from the command line) with omxplayer. That’s a hassle for casual viewing, obviously. I suppose Kodi uses that procedure in the background?

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as far as i know chrome does not support hardware acceleration on pi and does not play well on 1080p 30 or 60.

but well said ‘alternatively’. a crappy 2nd-hand laptop with 4g memory from 5 years ago easily outperforms this 8g monstrosity SBC and costs less.

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If that’s “as far as you know”, then I’m afraid you don’t know very far… Chromium *does* use hardware acceleration for video playback on Pi, and is quite capable of playing 1080p video.

Oh, and you might find your “2nd hand laptop with 4g memory from 5 years ago” costs less, but it’ll be drawing significantly more power than a Pi, particularly when playing video. But do feel free to use one if you prefer…

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@nick.
I use the pi as a desktop computer, not an entertainment system. For HD YouTube videos I have TV.

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well, i guess anyone who buy a 8G pi as a “desktop” now need to buy a HD TV for youtubing. lol

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That’s great, I didn’t think that would work. I need to buy a second computer mainly for emails, web browsing, and stuff like that. I think I’m going to build one like you… just for the fun of it!

And I will showcase it as you did, to confuse people ;)

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This has got to be worthy of a How-To video or document. Lots of people will probably want to do what you’ve done. I’m most curious about the cabling. If you used the built-in power plugs from the PSU to SATA drives what cables did you use to connect the data part of the SATA connection to USB? (Assuming that’s what you did). Please share more detailed info’ about what you did. Thanks!

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I use it as a desktop all the time. I don’t even use my old PC, whatever I was doing on it I can do on RPI4. And my RPI temperature now is 35°C while browsing this forum. If I open some more tabs in Firefox, it goes to 42°C
Playing 1080P/30 video from youtube (using chromium, because firefox has somehow jittery playback) increases the temp up to 54°C
I love that I can use it as a low power always on desktop with remote access (when I’m abroad), logging station for my hobby projects etc. All in a 5W power envelope most of the time.
The wildest work I’ve done using RPI4 was cutting a CooliPi Liquid Nitrogen 10 minute long 1080P/60 video using OpenShot. It was real pain until I figured out, that it needs 64bit system because it allocates all the rendered frames in memory, hardly releasing any memory back. It took about 2GB of swap space on final export of the video. With an 8GB version, it wouldn’t have needed swap at all.
So, by my means, a very capable workstation – the memory is more crucial than raw cpu power once it has crossed some performance bar.
And I’ve selected the best one out of three Pis that runs at 2GHz overclocked.
I love it.

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lol you mean 15W ?
opening some 20 tabs in browser max the cpu out, yet takes 60 to max out 4G memory.
8G helps huh

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15W is 3A. No, RPI doesn’t burn all of that. AFAIK, it’s peak power usage is slightly above 8W. Idle is around 3W – measured at the 5.1V rail, not at the electrical outlet. Depends also on the firmware used. And all depends on overclocking too.
By browsing you don’t load it to the max, because that can do only some stress test (like stress-ng using FFTs or linpack – heavy computations using floating point numbers).
And I forgot to mention most of the time I don’t need a browser – I close it. And if it’s not obvious – I use CooliPi 4B heatsink. Go figure :-)
8GB will definitely help with lots of open tabs. It eases the work, because it needs less focus on system resource limits.

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With all this talk of USB Boot how likely is it that this will work with the WD PiDrive kit 1TB HDD which I bought some years back ?

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Good question, the y cable (at least with mine) doesn’t work as a standard usb cable if no power goes through the other cables… bit the drive itself should work if you got a standard usb3 micro b cable… as the usb3 ports can handle 1.1A max (shared)

Eben Upton

Give it a go, and if it doesn’t work, file a Github issue and we’ll figure it out.

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I’m here just to beg for HDR support. Thanks

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Wow. Amazing update and huge move. Congratulations! I hope you release 8gb RAM compute modules as well. Any hints on the CM btw?

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Based on comments above, it will be out this year… and based on wording, an 8GB variant is probably a sure thing. I’m curious about if they had to change the form factor to add the extra connections.

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It’s coming real soon now ™. Definitely this year, and hopefully not December 31.

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This is great news. The new CM will be the best gift of the year, even for Christmas:) Did you already consider the form factor for CM 4? Probably it won’t be ddr2 200 pins. Can you please tell us more?

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When will we get to know more about the CM4? I’m currently designing a board around the CM3+. Any major changes that we should be aware of to ease compatibility between versions?

Eben Upton

We expect to be able to share more information sometime in Q3.

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Nice! Regarding board dimensions and chip placements – will existing third party coolers still work or will those need to be updated?

Eben Upton

I think it is likely that all existing third-party cases and coolers will work fine.

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Excellent news! I can’t wait to install kubernetes cluster on these little things.

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Just wanted y’all to know that I own a 2019 iMac powerhouse, a couple nice Thinkpads… but MOST of my computing today in 2020 is done on raspberry pi boxes. I run a Home Assistant, I run a NBS server and I have a retro arcade in my living room. IMO Raspberry Pi’s have been the biggest thing in computing for me personally. Biggest. Period.

I’ll be ordering this new board and appreciate all you do. I’m really looking forward to SSD boot, and creating a NAS. Thanks always. ?

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Paul, you make us blush! Thank you.

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This is great news! For IoT/edge use-cases I run a home IaaS cloud with Apache CloudStack to run KVM-enabled VMs on RaspberryPi4 4GB model and a 8GB model will be perfect to run VMs with larger RAM. Now I look forward to 16GB RAM model! Blogged here on how DIY IaaS cloud computing environment to run VMs on RaspberryPi4 + KVM + Ubuntu 20.04 https://rohityadav.cloud/blog/cloudstack-rpi4-kvm/

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Announced the day after I bought the 4Gb Pi. Just my luck. Oh well, I guess I’ll be buying the 8Gb one for my project and figuring out what to do with my 4Gb Pi.

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Everyone a new product is released, yhe I demand something else brigade always post a load of piffle.

At $75 it is an amazing product and we do not need PCIe, NVMe, SATA or built in PoE.

Thank you to everyone for a nigh on ten year journey of innovation…

Eben Upton

Thanks for the kind words. Very happy to have this one out in the wild: it’s been a long road to get here.

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On the Raspberry Pi 4, setting hdmi_blanking=1 will not cause the HDMI output to be switched off, since this feature has not yet been implemented. Any chance the issue is fixed in this new board revision? (still not sure if this is hardware or software related)

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Congrat for the all Team , I bought few weeks ago the Pi 4B 4GbRam and I love it, surely in the future will be probe the new model. Keep Pushing forward :)

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Congrats on the new pi
What about a new Official touch screen with smaller bezels?

Eben Upton

Nothing at present. But we’re aware that this is a common request.

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My wish for a new DSI touchscreen would be square pixels, please & thanks!

Eben Upton

Does the current one not have square pixels?

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The official 7″ touchscreen has a resolution of 800×480 and LCD panel dimensions 154.08 x 85.92 mm according to the latest revision datasheet which means pixel size is 0.1926 x 0.1790 mm. Early discussion when owners first drew circles which turned out “slightly squashed”: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=120710

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Wow! What an impressive new offering and price point even. I am also happy that you keep a unit at the $35 price point. I have always thought the mission of enabling the teenage maker (like that better than “hacker”) was a great insight and an important path to the future. Keep the goodness coming!

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I’m looking forward to the Android release for this board. It will be an Nvidia Shield killer :)

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I think that the Pi movement is better being focussed on proper os rather than Android. The google faece has not really taken off on the Pi and I’m very pleased about that.

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Super work! RPi4 has been an amazing evolution of the platform.

I’ve noticed in the comments that there are a lot of people wanting some kind of storage whether it be eMMC or m.2 and I wonder if a future version of the RPi might be able to meet them half way. I’m thinking that the USB 2.0 ports could be made into dual mode ports that also support eSATA. There’s going to be the costs to consider, which I have no idea about, as well as the available bandwidth on the SoC DMA channels. The main problem would be that it would break case compatibility in some cases because the ports would need to wider. Just a thought.

Eben Upton

It’s a good thought. We have looked at those odd USB/SATA combo connectors that you see on laptops, and there’s probably just about room. But we’re constrained by the features of the SoC we use, and USB 3 native drives, and USB->SATA adapters are cheap and plentiful for those who need them.

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Fair enough, although having an active adaptor plus the conversion overhead is less than ideal. I did have a look at the SoC spec doc, it didn’t really enlighten me, but I did wonder if it even had an SATA functionality. It sounds like it doesn’t.

eMMC is not a good technology but UFS (the hardware not the filesystem) is and I wonder if it will be possible to have it as an option at some point (if you can get the price down to a reasonable level). When you started this you might never have anticipated selling an 8GB model and having multiple models per release, but here we are, the fourth model for this release.

Eben Upton

I have a historical allergy to M-PHY (the electrical standard used by UFS), but you’re right: it’s gaining traction. Maybe something for the future.

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Mmm… adding this standard to the MIPI connections in future would make those ‘single function’ ports more interesting.

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Yippee and huzzah! That’s almost enough to make zfs usable so I can attach a silly number of external disks to a Pi instead of having a full size computer for them. :-)

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Oooh, nice!

What’s *not* nice is that I bought the 4GB Desktop Kit from raspberrypi.dk a couple of weeks ago and, even after all this time, I *still* got the Rev. 1.1 board. Not cool at all.

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“RaspberryPi.dk is owned and operated 100% by the company Jkollerup.dk v / Jeppe Kollerup (CVR: 34305064). Raspberry Pi is a trademark of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, and RaspberryPi.dk is not affiliated with the Raspberry Pi Foundation in any way.”

Not sure how much the Raspberry Pi Foundation can do about a random (i.e. not an official reseller) company in Denmark who sold you an old board.

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I’ll tell you how much: by working in tandem with its associate resellers (on which they rely), on a couple of simple guidelines, so all the relevant information is clearly stated to the costumers, who then can make educated choices when buying. It’s not that difficult.

By the way, it’s not a random (i.e. aleatory) company, it’s the only reseller that operates in Sweden shown in the very website of Raspberry Pi Foundation when one clicks on “buy”.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s an amazing little computer. But an old board disrupted my mobility plans because it cannot handle any of my other charges.

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Good evening,
I am pleased to see that the Rasberry Pi 4 with 8 GB has been released. Is there any chance that Windows can be used on it?

Eben Upton

There’s no official Windows support at present, though some people have had success getting Windows 10 running (see here). Proof of concept only at this stage of course: a proper implementation would require support from Microsoft.

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Wow, looks like I might finally be able to run zoneminder on raspberry pi to make a decent NVR that does what I want it to do

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I’m very impressed I love the Pi. Only thing left to do is replace SD Card storage for MMC, M2 keyed SATA or PCIE slots.
Then this thing will be the perfect little server/workstation for SOHO use.

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I have mine ordered now I have to wait until it gets here….

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YES! I have ordered two from PBTech in NZ already. They are going to be used in my upcoming project, where the 4GB model was swapping too much. I’ll put a screencast of the result up on Youtube.

But since a lot of comments are making requests for future Pi project improvements. How about producing a Raspberry Pi on a larger size board (mATX) that uses standard PC power supplies. If it could host multiple next generation Raspberry Pi compute units on a high speed bus , you would have very powerful workstation.
Third party compatible NG compute units with interfaces ( PCIe/thunderbolt/USB4 etc ) could allow you to add graphics cards etc.

Eben Upton

If you don’t mind my asking, what project were you working on that was causing the 4GB to swap?

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I prefer not to say much at the moment about the project, other than i’d like it to be reproduceable by anyone with the same relatively inexpensive and ubiquitous hardware.

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Is there any discussion on a built-in storage feature, like we see on our smartphones, so we could choose ram and storage?
For example, make versions with 2/16, 4/64 or 8/128, having Raspberry Pi OS pre-installed from factory, in way that is only necessary to power the PI to make it boot?
Thanks!

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Eben,
Congradulations. Thanks for continually improving the Raspberry Pi hardware and software.
Having discovered Node-RED on the pi, I haven’t had a desire to do any baremetal programming on an arduino for months. loving my current pair of pi4Bs with 4GB at that moment.

Eben Upton

Glad you’re enjoying them. They’re as fun to make as they are to use!

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Please in next revisions put a simple +- breakout pins somewhere near USB connector. That way we can supply power into Pi ang get all the protection from USB circuitry.

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ZRAM here I come, finally!

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That’s awesome!
But unfortunately for me that live in Brazil, it’s almost impossible to buy, here it cost 6 times the RPi4’s price (without shipping). I hope in the future you can sell RPis and accessories in Brazil. Thanks

Eben Upton

We continue to try to find ways to make the product available to our friends in Brazil. It’s a very challenging environment from an import duty perspective though!

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Thanks for your reply. I know here in Brazil is quite challenging for bussiness but I hope that in future it can possible to have a seller here, even if only the shipping was cheaper, it would help.

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I am from greece and i can’t find a raspi 4gb in my country.
The seller that you provided me is nettop.gr and the price of the pi is 84,50 euros
Where can i buy one for the price you say?

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That’s a good price. The ones they quote here in US$ are not normal consumer prices because they never include tax (sales tax, value added tax = VAT, I don’t know what it’s called in Greece), because that’s different everywhere in the world.

Eben Upton

That sounds about right, given 24% VAT ($75*1.24 = $93 = €84).

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I just updated my Pi4 to the new OS and my Raspberry menu disappeared! There is still a Menu, but it is invisible.

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can u imagine the future? the next generation of Pi is very likely be like A78 in CPU cores. i also bet $65 for this 1 year later. :D

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If my intention is to replace a work desktop – web browsing, youtube watching, email, docs, xls, ppt, microsoft publisher (or equalivant for making posters), editing 3d models, slicing 3d models, spotify or other music app, and having many of these open at the same time…

Will it be possible with the specs of the new Pi, or will I need a small cluster? How many will I need? Will I be able to get a better work desktop experience for a lower price?

Will I be able to run windows without an emulator, or do I have to use a version of Linux?

Eben Upton

Depending on your workload, a single Raspberry Pi will generally suffice. There’s no real way to aggregate the performance of multiple Raspberry Pi computers in the way you describe. You mention Windows and various Windows applications though: those won’t run unfortunately as we’re a Linux platform.

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so will this run windows 2016?

or at least server core?

Eben Upton

Unfortunately Microsoft do not support “regular” Windows on Raspberry Pi.

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QUOTE: “The long-rumoured 8GB Raspberry Pi 4 is now available, priced at just $75……”
So……, 75 United States Dollar equals 67,59 Euro…..
Then why is the RPi 4B+ around 90euros everywhere in the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium???
Not that i think its an unfair price, but at least state the correct price…. 90euro is 100yankee bucks…..
And that’s 33% more then what the 1st line of this article says…..

Ashley Whittaker

Hi Alex, you should only be buying from one of our approved resellers. If you click ‘Buy now’ on this product page, you can select the model you want and the country you are in and your buying options will appear: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/?variant=raspberry-pi-4-model-b-4gb

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Apparently though, €90 does fall in the approved resellers’ approved(?) price range because it costs that much at Kiwi in NL.

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Ohh and this is all about the 8GB version, not the 4GB

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https://www.berrybase.de/detail/index/sArticle/6666?src=raspberrypi
… have you considered TAX in your calculation (?) as 67,59EUR + 19% Tax = 80,43EUR

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Hi, aBUGSworstnightmare …. Thats a valid comment….
In the Netherlands we have 21%Vat…. if i add that, i get to just under 82 euros. thats still at least 8 euro’s less then the cheapest retailer.. Also if they ment a price excluding taxes (which they probably did) they could have stated that by putting (ex. vat) after the price ;)
Still 90 bucks aint bad….

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The price is stated in USD, and there are plenty of jurisdictions in the USA where you can get it for exactly $75.00, this is understood. Also, there is no such thing as VAT in the USA, and if you mention it to them, they’ll just ask, WTH is that?

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The price is $75.00 from Official Re-sellers, that does not and has never included in 8 years of Raspberry Products local taxes, post and packing, exchange rate fluctuations.

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of course this gets announced 5 days after i bought mine

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Mine arrived yesterday… Im going to return it…

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Don’t forget that when you return it to add the extra $20 plus tax that the 8GB version costs over the 4GB version you have right now.

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Just ordered the 4Gb version to read few hours later that you launched the 8Gb…

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This is great news especially for engineers working on RAM heavy applications involving Video, Browser, Computer Vision, AI.

Seems, this 8GB variant has gone too far from their smaller brothers ;), wish to see a price drop in a few months.

BTW: Many of us are waiting for Raspberry Pi 4 Computer Module, do you have any plans?

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Eben Upton answered that already in a response yesterday, please keep up…

Eben Upton

There will be a Compute Module 4 later in the year (but no price cuts).

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Thanks for the information. I am amazed to see you responding to almost all comments, thank you very much!

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Will say again the cost of all those wonderful connections people keep asking for will push up prices.

Please stop dreaming and accept that Raspberry Pi Trading develop a product which is cost effective to sell which suits the vast majority of users, why should the vast majority pay for features only a few will need ?

Everytime a product announcement is made this same old tripe is pedalled, let’s face the fact that 10 years ago you were paying $200+++ for a barely functioning SBC.

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Quite right. Everyone has their own requirements, and Raspberry Pi are not stupid. They sell what the majority of the market wants, and at a price the majority of the market wants. Adding all these bells and whistles actually make the product more expensive and less likely to sell!

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Bought one but I don’t see how $75 becomes £74 it should be about £61? Still I will enjoy it for my birthday on Saturday :)

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I am afraid we cannot do much about VAT

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£58.14 plus VAT + Shipping at CPC is equivalent to around $72.00

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I have a Linsar tv, it boasts ‘open source’, but it & the respective community is lacking as far as I can see. It also has no Bluetooth connectivity.
What I’m looking into after getting a BT500 transmitter that wouldn’t couple with the headphones I want to use, is a complete swap out option of the tv interface, to use the RPi4 as the connected source [e.g. HDMI2] with the supplied tv remote and pair the headphones with it.
I know there are media centre front ends and that it’s possible to get tv listings – an EPG – and if so, that selecting the channel to watch from it shouldn’t prove impossible and ideally then also use the RPi:headphone bluetooth.
There’s also a top box, a Humax, which also has open source development potential – and while I’d like to use this in conjunction, there’s the issue of e.g. Ch4 walking away from the on demand deal resulting in unavailable content that can only be accessed through the tv.

Any pointers?

Please advise
Kind regards
Christian Hilton

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Please visit our forums where people are available to answer your questions.

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Have done – not sure it’s in the right category though, no answers so far…,
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1669643

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Great,
but I’m really looking for a (real) harddrive (boot) support for the RasPi 4.
This + 8GB will change the game.

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Please actually read the actual blog post where MSD boot is actually mentioned.

Eben Upton

See the second paragraph.

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Hi!
I was thinking to try Raspberry Pi.
I’m a bit confuzed, does Raspberry 4 have WiFi integrated or I need som USB device to connect to WiFi?
I intend to buy that kit
https://no.rs-online.com/web/p/products/1925286/
Thank you!

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Yes, All models since the 3B have had wireless. The specifications are well explained on our product pages.

Eben Upton

Raspberry Pi 4 has integrated dual-band wireless LAN.

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Hi, any plans to release a compute 4 module with same processor and memory as pi4?

Eben Upton

We’ve discussed this a little before: Compute Module 4 should arrive before the end of the year.

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Do you think it’s time for me to upgrade my RPi 1 server or should I wait *another* generation

Eben Upton

I think probably you could justify it at this point :)

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This is a fantastic and highly-appreciated upgrade at a price that’s astounding, when I consider that the SGI IRIS 2400s that I did my MSCS thesis work on in 1985 – 86 cost $50,000!!! You did get a stylish case large enough to act as a side table capable of keeping beverages warm, a very nice “large” (in volume and weight!) monitor, 10 Mbps Ethernet, and 30,000 Gouraud-shaded polygons per second … whoa!!!

I’m hoping that 8 GBs will be enough to fit a download of my brain contents, as I experienced what appears to be a transient ischemic attack (TIA) a few days ago (experienced as a visual aberration indicative of a brief visual cortex blood flow constriction) that could be a harbinger of a stroke by this coming Sunday (one week is the outside probability, if one is coming). I hope that my Pi 4/8 GB gets here in time. If not, it was good knowing all of my friends here!

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Hey! Awesome work on this! I have a 4GB and I updated the OS. Will I be able to plug that SD card into the new 8GB model? Mine seems to be saying a newer OS is required when trying to boot the 8GB, even though it says I have 10.4 on my 4GB model. Thank you!

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How and where can I find it in India ? Can you provide a list of approved resellers in India.

Eben Upton

If you go to the product page, hit “Buy now” and select “India” as your country in the dropdown, you should see a list of Approved Resellers.

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I wonder if WOA ( Windows On Arm ) will run smoothly with the 8gb ram

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Nice!!! Been using the RPi4 4GB to do video editing and it’s been doing well, but this should work much better. Looking forward to getting one.

PS. I still have a RPi2 running as a proxy server, NAS, mail server, and a few other things. It keeps going and going and going . . . :)

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Any chance for a RTC? A lot of Amateur Radio operators use Raspberry Pi’s. RTCs are good for digital communications, and other things as well.

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RTC modules are cheap and easy to add. Alternatively, add a GPS with 1pps pin to configure NTP as a time server. Search the forum for details.

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Raspberry Pi 4 is so close to a true gaming platform.
Here is what’s missing, an integrated solution such as game focus casing like the Gpi case with control, screen, and sound, but more simpler plug and play solution for upgradable compute module. A just enough OS for games, and of course a game store, where you know you can get supported games.

In case you wonder why the Raspberry Pi didn’t become a gaming platform already while it is totally capable to be one, because, gaming isn’t officially support. Also no serious developers want to make game for a platform, they user need to first hack up the console to fun anything. But if you look at the Pi for PC gaming, the pi is no where near as power as what people might consider a PC for game. What’s leave, is that the pi is living under shadow of retro gaming running Emulators. which I am totally happy with, but at the same time, feels kind of sad for the cool project like the Pi.

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Amazing.
Just one question. Can I still use a power supply with a output of 3A in this upgraded 8GB model?

Eben Upton

Yes you can. Though remember not all 3A power supplies are created equal!

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Woohoo! 8GB PI4. Wow. 64bit PI OS.

I just downloaded the 64-bit PI OS and it run perfectly 1st time on the P4 in record time from download to boot up.

I wasn’t expecting them this year, but mighty happy to see them here now. It’s like Christmas in June, making the Covit shutdown a bit more exciting :)

Eben, and all in the PI Foundation and Community. 

Thank you for the 9+ fruitful years of fantastic innovation and execution in Strategy, Hardware, OS, Apps, Software, Integration, Pricing, Publishing, Sharing, Community, Training, Manufacturing & Distribution.

And again to the PI Community for all the wonderful and sometimes whimsical projects.

What you have build has given us countless hours of enjoyment, made learning more fun, and gave the tinkerers a big boost in computing power for their hobby projects and business ventures.

Keep doing this for the next 10 years.

I can hardly imagine what the PI and projects of the next 3 years, 6 years and 9 years will be like.

Can you? Perhaps that’s a good topic for some articles.

Best regards,
Rick Chow (Singapore)

Eben Upton

Thanks Rick. Great to hear the 64-bit OS is working out for you. It’s very much a vision of the future for us: less non-free binary code, more standards based. We’ve heard lots of stories from people who have spent the lockdown learning new things with Raspberry Pi, and it’s nice for us to feel we’re making a contribution, no matter how small.

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I was hoping to have some kind of basic button that can be used for safe shutdown of the raspberry pi which I’m sure many like me use in headless configuration. I know its not to difficult to add using 3rd party components but it would be super convenient to have it come on the board and I can’t imagine it would at much to the cost of the device?

Eben Upton

A push-button is pretty cheap (say <2 cents in volume), but we do have to be very disciplined to keep Raspberry Pi to its current low cost, so it's never quite made the cut. Maybe something for us to look at again in a future generation.

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I can confirm Docker and Kubernetes using k3s work nicely on the 8GB Pi4B with the 64 bit beta OS.

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Please think about 3rd world countries like my country, $75 is really expensive for me. What do you think about new raspi zero? Do you have any development process related to new raspi zero? Thanks.

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The cost of SOC and components to create a Dual or Quad Core Zero replacement is far to high for the $10 price point…

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Look back through these comments, the future of Zero has been discussed already.

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Cool.

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WOW, just read the article on the new 8 gig Pi4 . . . is there a translator for what was said?? That article was smothered with so much geek stuff, a normal person would (or did) have trouble interpreting how good the 8 gig Pi 4 really is.

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I use my 4GB as my desktop computer.
I often crash raspberian OS
I like fast fast fast & it cant take it….
it reminds me of my old computer that had Windows 95, it got Glitchy from clicking the mouse around too much.
(a reboot often fixed the problem, until it was soo bad it needed a fresh windows install)

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I’ll be buying the new 8Gb version for sure.
RISC OS will not really benefit from more RAM because it uses very little by default unlike Linux, but I still want to get one.

Thanks for continuing to improve the piMachine.

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A Zero or any other BCM2835 Pi is more than suitable for RiscOS, as the Raspberry Pi 4B is not yet supported in Stable Release.

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The irritating part is that I just purchase a comple CanaKit 4gb system just 3 weeks before this announcement.
Aaarrrrggghhhh

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Can you upgrade the gpu while using something like quake/open arena as a base to achieve 60fps @1080 min?
Can you implement arm trust zone so that we can’t get our source code stolen in an end product?

Eben Upton

The current GPU is roughly twice as fast as the original, which could do ~30fps in q3dm6 timedemo with the proprietary drivers. Performance optimisation of the open drivers still a work in progress, but 60fps feels quite achieveable. Note openarena maps tend to be more expensive to render than their official counterparts.

I’m not sure I really believe in TZ as a panacea for not getting your code stolen (note the best way not to get your source code stolen is to only release object code). It’s quite a brittle security perimeter, and there are some very clever people out there.

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if we just distribute object code it will get reverse engineered, since you only need to know the arm instruction set, but if we have something like putting per-device keys and firmware/software decryption keys in the cpu somehow. if you look at the ps3devwiki it may give you idea’s on what kind of security their system provides that the raspberrypi could benefit form

Eben Upton

I understand the concept: I’m just dubious that real-world TZ implementations actually provide the sort of robust security you’re looking for.

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16GB RAM? Where’s that in the pipeline?

Eben Upton

Probably not on it, sadly. Requires development of a 16Gbit x8 single-channel LPDDR4 die, which I don’t believe is in prospect.

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Congrats for these good steps with the Raspberry pi.. I really enjoy these devices.. I have 3… one with Ubuntu 18.04, one with Ubuntu 20.04 and one with the new Raspberry OS 64 bit….. Extra SDs with android and with the New OS 32 bit..

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You mean 32Gbit LPDDR4 dies?

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So it’s not impossible but we’d have to look for cooperation with a supplier.
I do appreciate what you guys have done and I love the raspberry pie myself.
A lot of flexibility and it does bring back old memories of the Commodore 64 and the homebrew era

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Super-impressed by the *GB Pi and 64-bit OS.
As might be expected, there are some borked packages when using the 64-bit version. cmake is my current nemesis. Where/how should I report them? I assume the github issues page is for the OS, not 3rd party packages.

Eben Upton

I think you could report them on github and they’ll find their way to the appropriate person.

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In my experience, memory bandwidth is currently the biggest limiting factor when it comes to Raspberry Pi 4. I understand that currently DDR4 data path is only 32-bits wide. Are there any plans for 64-bit bus?

Eben Upton

Not at present. We have sufficient bandwidth for our most demanding use cases (dual 4k display, 4kp60 media playback) so there’s no reason for us to add additional cost by moving to a 64-bit bus.

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Congrats on this!
Quick question – does “Pi OS” rhyme with “kudos” or is it “Pi- Oh Ess”?

Eben Upton

I pronounce it “Oh Ess”, but YMMV.

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I would have liked to have seen a fan header on the new board to throttle the case fan in sympathy with the CPU temperature,

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I have got a Pi 3 B, if I update the OS on that to the new Raspberry OS, will I be able to use the 64 bit features ? Or is the 64 bit limited to the new Pi 4 only ? Sounds perhaps a dumb question, but I’m a bit new at this, hope someone can help me on that. Many thanks. Fawaz

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You can not update Raspberry Pi OS (formerly Raspbian Buster) ARM32 to Raspberry Pi OS ARM64 BETA. Just grab another SD Card and try the ARM64 BETA release, though be aware BETA means it may have bugs.

Eben Upton

The 64-bit release should run on Raspberry Pi 3, 3+ and 4 (and in fact on the small number of v1.2 Raspberry Pi 2 units which use BCM2837 rather than BCM2836).

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Any chance of there being a full 16GB model coming in the Future? LOL You know, for us “Power Users”. LOL

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See comments above.

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You must of missed the response from Eben Upton above why 8GB is the limit.

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HI… I am new to coding etc. and I am now teaching K-6 students in a maker-space environment. Is the 8 GB something I could use with these kids and what are some activities you would suggest trying?

Ashley Whittaker
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In an education environment, there is no real point in using the 8GB version of the Raspberry Pi at the moment; you are better off using the cheaper 4GB version with the standard 32-bit operating system, as more of the educational software runs under 32-bit and none of it would really benefit from the extra memory.

Check out programming in Scratch or Sonic Pi for good educational activities. There are plenty of resources elsewhere on this site to give you ideas of what to do.

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I want to buy 1, but I live in Cuba, Geographical fatality!

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Will there be native m.2 available in the future?

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How to buy this 8gb one in pakistan?

Ashley Whittaker

Hi Muhammad ? when you click ‘Buy now’ on this page, scroll to ‘Rest of the world’ on the countries list and choose a supplier. (Remember to select the 8GB model in the other drop down menu!) https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/

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This is a good SBC for a desktop user, but I’m hoping in the future there will be a version that is more suited for network appliances. Specifically:
– At least two 1GbE Ethernet ports with a controller that is capable of offloading TCP/IP processing in order to reduce the load on CPU.
– Less capable graphics to reduce power consumption and heat. Only need a single HDMI output port.

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1. Is there any separate Raspberry Pi PoE HAT for Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 8GB model?
2. Seller showing like this…”RASPBERRY PI POE HAT – Add-On Board, Power over Ethernet (PoE) HAT for Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+” is it compatible with Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 8GB model?

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Guys … I am so excited. But I am unable to buy the 8GB in the UK – always out of stock. Hellllllllllpppppppppppppp!

Ashley Whittaker

We’re making them as fast as we can! We launched with 40,000 units and are able to make them at a rate of about 10,000 a week at the moment. Try signing up to receive notifications when your approved reseller gets more stock.

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Got my 1st Rasp 8GB delivered today from RS.
Let the fun begin.
Thank you, guys.

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Is it possible to run full windows 10 64bit on the new Raspberry Pi b 8GB?

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No, it is not possible.

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Great work on upgrading the RPi family! And THANK YOU for the 64-bit OS work!
What about the low end? Is the 1GB model discontinued in any sense?

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Hey bobmon, you mentioned 64bit OS does this apply to full win 10 version also? I’ve seen some threads they’ve done it unlocking the RAM limitation for optimal response on the OS. I’m trying to get a feedback if there’s already a stable and fast window base platform. Thank you it would really be a big help on our community.

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How can you tell if it is 8GB ram? I can see that board
stamped on 2018 instead of 2019 or 2020. That’s 2 year away.

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It’s quite amazing that computing machines have shrunk to the size they have, reduced energy usage with operating systems and connectivity to use as a powerful office desktop.
I remember my first lessons in computer studies in 1980, what we have here now with the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB and 64 bit operating system was called a ‘mainframe’ or even ‘supercomputer’ then and of course the difficulty connecting a printer, forty years on and still no plug and play printer functionality but at least the electricity bills are lower.

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I got Pi4 4GB and it is awesome. I mostly use it to test some basic server setups on linux distros. However, I have a few questions(Sorry if it was already answered in the comments, just too many and might have missed it)
On the 4GB, with 64-bit OS I can’t access more than 3 GB of the ram(maybe I was doing something wrong). How much would be I be able to access in the 8GB version? Also can I use the SoC camera or accelerated video decode in 64-bit mode (Could not run those before).
But what I would love to do is I’d like to get a 64 bit Debian build up and running with KVM enabled on the Pi 4 8GB. Anyway, thanks for all the improvements.

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“Just” $75?
There was a time when RPis were affordable, but these are not prices suitable for many of the people this was created for, such as students, self staters and people with low budget
This is capitalising on the brand like any other, so sad…

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The 2GB version is 35$, so it is affordable and in the ballpark of previous models. 8GB version has 4 times more memory. Memory is not free, as you are probably aware.

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You made my Day!
What great time to live with RPI…

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When are they going to be available again? I’m wanting to build a cluster.

Ashley Whittaker

We’re making them as fast as we can! Tens of thousands a week. See if your Approved Reseller has alerts you can sign up to to let you know when they get their new stock.

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With the increasing popularity or PI 4 for home use, it sold out in days in US, and agiain at Canakit. And with the Zero being used for such as ventilators, I’m sure your supply chain is a lil bit stretched. Unfortunately, waiting to be told that it the PI 4 8Gb in stock is not that helpful if one misses the E-mail before sell-out, leaving those of us here in the Colonial wilderness outta luck for news regarding the supply chain.
Any plans for a bulletin board regarding such things? It would be a mitzvah.

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So, with the 64 bit Pi, could I run full Windows? (Not IoT core, to clarify.)

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i have issues for installing of google assistant in raspberry

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Is there even the remotest possibility that we would ever see a 16GB RAM model produced?

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Is there a faster processor on the horizon. I use this when I travel. The box is small, the cordage is fairly compact and what ever tv is available works. I’ve got a portable ps/battery and I’m good. A faster processor would be nice. 06Aug20

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This is great news especially for engineers working on RAM heavy applications involving Video, Browser, Computer Vision, AI.

Seems, this 8GB variant has gone too far from their smaller counterparts , wish to see a price drop in a few months.
Many of us are waiting for Raspberry Pi 4 Computer Module, do you have any plans?

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I hope that future plans for the next evolution of raspberry pi contains an NPU!

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I think either would be fine, I am running the 4 gig Pi and have had issues with i crashing just an FYI

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I believe the Date First Available for the Pi 4b with 8gb ram was July 1, 2020 yet on Amazon (US) the images show 2018. How do I ensure I get a current board?

Ashley Whittaker

Hi 👋 Al, you need to make sure you’re buying through one of our Approved Resellers. If you select ‘United States’ in the dropdown menu on our product pages, it’ll show you the 6 AR’s who stock the 8gb: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/?variant=raspberry-pi-4-model-b-8gb

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IS kernel module development available in standard 64-bit or 32-bit distributions on either 4MB or 8MB Pi 4’s? Is so what is recipe to enable, searching for this only has stale instructions that lead to errors on my Pi 4 4Mb

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Is there any chance in future we can see 16/32/64 GB RAM in raspberrypi ?
Thanks

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Im interested to know about the latest RPi 4 Model.

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I would definitely be interested in a version with full sized HDMI. Would prefer 8GB RAM for general use.

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Any update on the 64 bit beta OS? I read thru the comments I think it said by end of year? Thanks.

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thank you so much

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Wow, this is great news.
Congratulations!

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Wow, this is great news.
Congratulations!

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