Model A price point


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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:27 pm
So where and when in the history of mankind has anyone ever exchanged the sum of $25 for any RPi?

And whats all this 'WEBFREE' business?

All very confusing.

I must remember to ask the driver of the next taxi I get whether he will be adding an extra carriage fee onto my fayre when I try to step out.
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by Jim JKla » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:36 pm
I wonder if we could get ASDA to stock them and we might get them on a "Buy One Get One Free" of course the ASDA price would probably be £50 each and they would be using their bulk buying mucle to max their profits.

As was mentioned earlier this is Capitalism.

The RPi "A" "B" Kit or otherwise in most cases is good value, the old "Caveat Emptor" applies when it comes to shipping charges and it's got to be worth trying to get together with friends and multi-buy to drive those costs down.

In the old days there were guys in back street shops selling bits for the first wave Specky/BBC/Comodore they made their margins with just this sort of bulk buying. ;)
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by poing » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:47 pm
Jim JKla wrote:The RPi "A" "B" Kit or otherwise in most cases is good value, the old "Caveat Emptor" applies when it comes to shipping charges and it's got to be worth trying to get together with friends and multi-buy to drive those costs down.

The original argument boils down to the fact that nl.farnell.com included a shipping charge with each separate Model A so buying more than one with friends in one order is just as expensive as buying them all separately. This makes their Model A essentially a $37 computer. In the case of RS you're right though, but not with Farnell (in the Netherlands).
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by itimpi » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:55 pm
mikerr wrote:
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mikerr wrote:If in the UK, you can get it from farnell's CPC online shop:

http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/ras ... 5-00001002

No minimum order, and free shipping i.e. you can buy one for £18.88 delivered (€ 23 / $31)

I do not seem to be able to get that price - I always get a £4.95 handling charge added if I try and order just the Model A and no additional items

Type in WEBFREE in the order comments box (the handling will then not be taken when the order is processed).
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/bespoke/besp ... ebfree.jsp

I did that, but the handling charge was still there when I got to the 'Review' page just before the final Confirm button. I would like to know why it is not working for me when it seems others have been OK :? I was not prepared to assume the charge would be removed AFTER I confirmed the order.
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by Jim JKla » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:59 pm
It is all about shopping around to get your best deal. ;)

The price point is set by the Foundation they have little or no say in the other costs VAT & Import duties in those countries who charge them. Negociate a 1000 unit deal with Farnell or RS and you may get an incredible price.

Say for example a school that was planning on giving a Raspberry Pi deal to pupils and family.

Caveat Emptor.
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by mikerr » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:12 pm
itimpi wrote:I did that, but the handling charge was still there when I got to the 'Review' page just before the final Confirm button. I would like to know why it is not working for me when it seems others have been OK :? I was not prepared to assume the charge would be removed AFTER I confirmed the order.

Its just the weird way CPC works - yes it still shows on the confirm page:

CPC wrote:To take advantage of the free delivery / handling simply add WEBFREE as an order comment when
placing your order. Please note this offer is only available on UK deliveries.

you will still see the charge on the automatic confirmation, but we will remove them before dispatch
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by Mortimer » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:10 pm
I don't know why we're even debating this, as this is normal for most mail order businesses, and certainly not unique to the Raspberry Pi.

As stated before it CANNOT be a penalty, that would be illegal, and the handling, packing materials and postage has to be paid for by someone. I would rather such costs NOT be built into a product's price, so I have the option to avoid those costs by going and picking the items up in person.
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by mikerr » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:22 pm
pygmy_giant wrote:So where and when in the history of mankind has anyone ever exchanged the sum of $25 for any RPi?.

The VAT portion can be reclaimed if a VAT registered business buys a RPi ... which would bring it down to the magic $25

And schools (Pi was intended for schools remember?) don't pay the VAT either.
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by Jim JKla » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:30 pm
Or a registered charity like a school provided they are also VAT registered.

And then there may be conditions. ;)
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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:34 pm
Fair point - I understand about VAT - my problem is with the extra 'handling charge' as a member of the public.

Next time I get in a taxi I'm going to say 'WEBFREE' to the driver so he does not charge me a carriage/handling charge on top of my fare.
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by toxibunny » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:35 pm
The way I see it is that the foundation were originally planning on manufacturing and selling that original 10,000 - and adding nothing to the price but shipping and VAT. Unfortunately, and fortunately, the surprising popularity of the Raspi meant they had to change plans and do a deal with the devil aka hook up with the big suppliers. As a consequence, everyone who wants a Raspi can have one, but they have to pay a bit more, because the big suppliers aren't charities.

This has led to the situation now where people feel they've been lied to. Instead of it being that '25$ + taxes + reasonable shipping' we were expecting, it's now 'whatever the distributor decides to charge which is hopefully somewhat near 25$ + taxes + whatever shipping/handling costs the distributor decides to charge, and subject to whatever other restrictions/conditions the distributor decides to apply, including fobbing you off to someone else who'll add a bit more if they feel like it.'

I'm hoping that RS is well-stocked nowadays - they've always been cheaper than Farnell, and as far as I know, they don't have any of that 'authorised reseller' BS. Hopefully a bit of proper competition will force Farnell's prices down.

Another possibility is that the cost of manufacture will drop to the point where the foundation can just put their foot down and say 'Hey, that's enough - sell it at 25$ now' or whatever...
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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:00 pm
Its still all pants though.

It seems I can fortunately get mine for $25 dollars + VAT if I remember to say the magic secret password 'WEBFREE' so Farnell knows that I know that they know that I don't live in the Netherlands (despite it being in my address).

But the extra I would pay if I did live in the Netherlands is more than the cost of posting there. In fact, Royal Mail charges the same for posting anywhere in Europe from the UK, and Farnell must be able to better that.
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by mikerr » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:10 pm
pygmy_giant wrote:Its still all pants though. It seems I can fortunately get mine for $25 dollars + VAT if I remember to say the magic secret password 'WEBFREE' so Farnell knows that I know that they know that I don't live in the Netherlands (despite it being in my address).
You must have lived a very sheltered life if offer codes and vouchers are so new to you :roll:
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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:17 pm
Perhaps.

I'm one of those naive people who refuses to get a loyalty card. Every time I get to the check out at the supermarket the cashire asks me "have you got a loyalty card" even though she recognises me and know I am going to say "no".

I like to buy things that I need because I need them and pay what they cost and know what its going to cost me beofre I pay.

Bonkers eh?

As I am so naive - will this 'WEBFREE' offercode come to an end?
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by Jim JKla » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:19 pm
Maybe it's time for a big retailer to use some leverage buy big numbers and move things on.
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by LemmeFatale » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:20 pm
Jim JKla wrote:Maybe it's time for a big retailer to use some leverage buy big numbers and move things on.

Hey, why not? Selling in the likes of Toys 'R' Us and such worked out very well for the Commodore 64. :)
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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:23 pm
Seriously though mikerr, will this 'WEBFREE' offercode come to an end? I am naive in these matters, yes.

Thanks for pointing it out though.
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by mikerr » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:37 pm
pygmy_giant wrote:Seriously though mikerr, will this 'WEBFREE' offercode come to an end? I am naive in these matters, yes.
I've ordered all my Rpis from CPC, and never been charged a postage fee - but Model B's have always been exempt from postage charge at CPC.

This WEBFREE code is just this week, and is to give free delivery on orders < £50
normally at CPC you have to spend £50 to get free delivery (with the exception of the raspberry pi model B as mentioned above).

BTW RS now have them too but like the main farnell site it has a min £20 ex vat spend to get free delivery:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor ... s/7568317/
(and quite bizarrely 2x Pi model As don't give you free delivery - but 1x Model A & a £4 PSU does
silly web system isn't counting multiple items)
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by pygmy_giant » Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:41 pm
Thanks - I don't mind paying what it costs to get one, I just don't like being confused.
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by jamesh » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:46 pm
pygmy_giant wrote:thanks mikerr.

@ Mortimer / Revenous

VAT is unavoidable and the $25 dollars is ex-vat so no quibble there.

But the 'Handling charge' is not really a charge as it is not related to the cos to them - it is more like a penalty or a fee as I am disadvantaged for making a small order.

No, you are not disadvantaged by making a small order, BUT you would be advantaged in making a large order. There is a subtle difference.
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by RaTTuS » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:15 am
a case will bring it above the magic price point .... ;-p
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by alexeames » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:01 am
RaTTuS wrote:a case will bring it above the magic price point .... ;-p


Is that a case in point Rattus? :D
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by hippy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:07 am
pygmy_giant wrote:Can I as a consumer get a single model A in my hand for $25?

No; the charge to you as a consumer will be ($25+VAT)+(S&H+VAT).

If you can avoid S&H, avoid VAT, then yes.

If a supermarket chain one day has them stocked and on the shelves you will be able to pick one up for $25+VAT. If you however wanted them to deliver you can expect them to add S&H+VAT.

You are simply trying to redefine "the cost of an item" to be other than how it is traditionally accepted to be.
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by pluggy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:40 am
I got the delivery for nothing, £15.97 comes out at exactly (give or take less than a cent) $25.00.

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by texy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:59 am
pluggy wrote:I got the delivery for nothing, £15.97 comes out at exactly (give or take less than a cent) $25.00.

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...but was it ordered on its own, and where did you order it from?

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