Really unethical


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by thebuell » Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:48 pm
I've just heard peple are putting their RasPi up for sale on Ebay within days of receiving it. This is not fair - I would hope those people selling donate the money to the RasPi foundation. :p
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by jamesh » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:09 pm
Highly unlikely on the donation bit, but if you bought one, it's up to you what you do with it.
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by lewmur » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:31 pm
thebuell said:


I've just heard peple are putting their RasPi up for sale on Ebay within days of receiving it. This is not fair - I would hope those people selling donate the money to the RasPi foundation. :p



What is unfair about it?  Anyone who has already received a Pi spent a LOT of effort getting their order in early.  They deserve to make a profit on that effort.  That's called "entrepreneurship".
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by spurious » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:45 pm
lewmur said:


That's called "entrepreneurship".



You may call it that!

I call if profiteering at the expense of the community, which should be punishable by death squad. ;)

But hey, we are all entitled to our opinion!
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by naicheben » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:50 pm
I understand your anger. And yes I agree that it is unethical. I see it every year when the tickets for the biggest Heavy Metal Openair in Germany are sold: the first 10.000 were sold out in 45 minutes. Next day the were sold on ebay for 3 times the price. I hate it, but as long as there are idiots out there who bides to these "occations" ... they spoil it for those who are really interested in coding on the Pi.
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by zoltan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:55 pm
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by tufty » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:07 pm
It was inevitable. The Pi has become the "must-have" thing, and there"s not currently enough to meet demand. If you can afford to buy one at 5 times the price, that"s fair enough.

Still think the foundation should be ebaying a couple of hundred pis a week at a buy it now of $35. That would screw the scalpers over nicely and might have meant less people buying "for profit"
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by naicheben » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:09 pm
tufty said:


Still think the foundation should be ebaying a couple of hundred pis a week at a buy it now of $35. That would screw the scalpers over nicely...



Yeah! Good one! But first Farnell have to send mine! ;-)
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by lewmur » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:15 pm
spurious said:


lewmur said:


That's called "entrepreneurship".



You may call it that!

I call if profiteering at the expense of the community, which should be punishable by death squad. ;)

But hey, we are all entitled to our opinion!



"At the expense of the community?"  Sounds like something right out of Marx.
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by HansH » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:20 pm
zoltan said:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140739793135?


that is a fake, the production boards have a yellow rca connector...

A lot of people wanted that board just to experiment and to contribute.... this is just about making money.
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by spurious » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:24 pm
lewmur said:


"At the expense of the community?"  Sounds like something right out of Marx.


Well communism would work if it wasn't for the greedy in society.

We just seem to have far to many of those greedy gits ordering the R-Pi!
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by lewmur » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:31 pm
spurious said:


lewmur said:


"At the expense of the community?"  Sounds like something right out of Marx.


Well communism would work if it wasn't for the greedy in society.

We just seem to have far to many of those greedy gits ordering the R-Pi!



Yeah, sure!  It was all of those greedy capitalist in the gulags that kept communism in the USSR from working for 70 years.  How dare anyone think that they are entitled to the fruits of their own labor?
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by dawilson123 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:32 pm
HansH said:


zoltan said:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140739793135?


that is a fake, the production boards have a yellow rca connector...

A lot of people wanted that board just to experiment and to contribute.... this is just about making money.


It's a library photo. The seller probably hasn't even received it yet.

The bidding is currently at £215!
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by reiuyi » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:35 pm
zoltan said:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140739793135?


Just report them for being pre-sales. Ebay will delete it, unless the seller can clearly prove he is in possession of a raspberry pi.
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by Montala » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:36 pm
zoltan said:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140739793135?


It finally sold for £240!

As he has only posted a "stock" photograph of a beta board, I wonder if he has actually received one yet?

Some folks must be really desperate to get hold of one though if they are willing to pay that sort of money.

Edit: I have just read that the seller says that "5% of the proceeds will be donated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation to further the need for higher educational attainments in the world of Programming."
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by spurious » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:47 pm
lewmur said:


How dare anyone think that they are entitled to the fruits of their own labor?


I think we have the point pined exactly.

Profiteers, as these are, have not laboured. They just leech off others, and are the scum of society. And from the way you are fiercely defending them I can only surmise...
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by piinthesky » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:31 pm
spurious said:


lewmur said:


How dare anyone think that they are entitled to the fruits of their own labor?


I think we have the point pined exactly.

Profiteers, as these are, have not laboured. They just leech off others, and are the scum of society. And from the way you are fiercely defending them I can only surmise...



In this case, either:

a) the person DID labour in trying to be one of the first to get a pi.  Many tried and failed and if they really do have one, then they were able to do something many could not.

b) the person is a fraud and does not have a pi.  Fraud is illegal.

If the person really does have a pi in their possession I congratulate him for being one of the first to get one and for being able to sell it for so much.  Whoever bought it was obviously impatient and they are the problem...not the seller.

Remember it takes two people for a transaction.  Who is really the scum of society, the seller of a hot must have item, or the buyer who pays the price to get theirs "first"?
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by spurious » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:46 pm
piinthesky said:


Who is really the scum of society, the seller of a hot must have item, or the buyer who pays the price to get theirs "first"?


I take your point, there is a level of greed on both sides. But I still think the seller in this instance is the major offending party. There is a large community of developers wanting to get one of these devices to improve it's offering, ready for September, when the school release starts. These profiteers are stopping this from happening by buying the machines out of the first batch, which is why consider them scum.
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by Bengaul » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:53 pm
Well, if anyone is mad/stupid enough to buy one at £240, when the value of the unit is £35 with delivery when the supply has caught up, they are welcome to it!
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by R37R0 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:01 pm
im sure that many more will appear on ebay in the coming weeks when people realise thet they havent received a fully specified ready-to run 25 quid PC or that 'shock horror' it doesnt run windows 8 or call of duty

i look forward to getting the one that i have ordered
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by Seshan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:14 pm
I'll probably end up selling mine once I get it, if I get it... It's been so long since I pre-ordered that by the time I get it I won't have time to do anything with it. I'd probably just end up selling it for what it cost me though. ($57)
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by spamel » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:26 pm
I think anybody spending that much is plain mad when they can be had at a fraction. I understand if they had donated the extra to the Foundation as they have a massive disposable income, but to give some ebay hawker that amount is pure stupidity! Fair play to the seller, they didn"t start it on a ridiculous price and they have made a large amount for a small outlay. They may not have gone into this to sell it at price, but they didn"t dictate how high bidding would go. It is the buyers that are the fools here.
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by abishur » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:36 pm
Seshan said:


I'll probably end up selling mine once I get it, if I get it... It's been so long since I pre-ordered that by the time I get it I won't have time to do anything with it. I'd probably just end up selling it for what it cost me though. ($57)



Maybe I'm missing something, but if you don't want yours anymore, why not just cancel your pre-order?
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by Auron » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:44 pm
I think it's unethical to buy it for the sole purpose of selling it for a profit.

But if I had managed to get an early model, originally intending to use it, and then seen the prices they were selling at, I could understand the temptation to sell it and then get another in a couple of months. In that scenario, there's no impact on anybody else, and both the buyer and seller are happy.
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by thebuell » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:01 pm
What a long discussion I've managed to provoke! Personally, I will be buying it at the price it is offered for sale (£30) once it is available in quantity. People profiteering like that on Ebay can go swivel for their money anyway :)
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